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03-04-2009, 12:45 PM
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Maybe Mary-Jos parents would like to hold the sword.
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03-04-2009, 01:59 PM
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The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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03-04-2009, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by saltfly
Maybe Mary-Jos parents would like to hold the sword.
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Very similar thought process you and I.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
Serial Mailbox Killer/Seal Fisherman
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03-04-2009, 03:00 PM
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Maybe he should get crowned. 
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03-04-2009, 03:47 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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Why not--he's probably contributed more to the economy of Scotland than any other still-living human being.
Sir Ted of the Many Chivases.  
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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03-04-2009, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike P
Why not--he's probably contributed more to the economy of Scotland than any other still-living human being.
Sir Ted of the Many Chivases.  
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 Or Sir Ted of Glenlivit 
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The future ain't what it used to be. --Yogi Berra
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03-05-2009, 12:41 PM
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Time has a way of dulling our memories and lends itself towards one person forgiving another for something one person did. Whether it was to you or against another person, such as Ted against Mary Joe Kopechne, thier does come a time when your anger towards him should reach a balance for and against him, where you don't like or dislike Ted Kennedy. I think this should occur in everything even when a death is involved at some point. I believe even the Kopechne family forgave him at some point. After all no one forced Mary Joe to spend the weekend with a bunch of married hooligans. My point is that just recently I learned the Ted Kennedy called each of the spouses and or family members of all the 178 Massachusetts residents killed in the 911 travesty. The calls weren't scripted nor did the end after certain platitudes were made and condolences extended. They went on for minutes or in some cases a very long time. Kennedy instructed his entire staff to gather every agency possible in one place, so that all of these survivors didn't have to go to anyplace else other than the ballroom he rented to get whatever assitance anyone of them needed. Social Security people were there as well as medical professionals, and everyone in between. After reading this entire article about his efforts on the survivors behalf I finally let go of the Kopechne thing.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
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03-05-2009, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Swimmer
After all no one forced Mary Joe to spend the weekend with a bunch of married hooligans.
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I hope you aren't saying what I think your saying.
There are alot of people in prison for killing someone, that later found God, and are still in jail. Where they belong!
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03-05-2009, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I hope you aren't saying what I think your saying.
There are alot of people in prison for killing someone, that later found God, and are still in jail. Where they belong!
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In Massachusetts it is rare when anyone serves time for a death that occured during a car crash. If they do it is minimal. My huge exception is that he didn't go in after her. And neither did his buddies when he went back to the house.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
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03-05-2009, 05:45 PM
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Good lord Swimmer, I haven't seen such reason from you in a lo...um...ever!
I've said it before, but even though I don't like Kennedy's politics all of the time the man has my respect for being a servant of the people, and a lot of Republican Senators would agree.
Pretty lame when a man has brain cancer and all you can do is joke about something that happened 40+ years ago. Sounds like Beavis and Butthead.
-spence
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03-05-2009, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Swimmer. I believe that you're right.
Most folks don't realize the good that the Senator has done and continues to do for the working stiff. I didn't know what he had done for the 911 families of this Commonwealth, must not have been used for publicity as some would have done.
I believe he's a good man who may or may not have screwed up that night. Don't know, wasn't there....
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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03-05-2009, 05:59 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swimmer
Time has a way of dulling our memories and lends itself towards one person forgiving another for something one person did. Whether it was to you or against another person, such as Ted against Mary Joe Kopechne, thier does come a time when your anger towards him should reach a balance for and against him, where you don't like or dislike Ted Kennedy. I think this should occur in everything even when a death is involved at some point. I believe even the Kopechne family forgave him at some point. After all no one forced Mary Joe to spend the weekend with a bunch of married hooligans. My point is that just recently I learned the Ted Kennedy called each of the spouses and or family members of all the 178 Massachusetts residents killed in the 911 travesty. The calls weren't scripted nor did the end after certain platitudes were made and condolences extended. They went on for minutes or in some cases a very long time. Kennedy instructed his entire staff to gather every agency possible in one place, so that all of these survivors didn't have to go to anyplace else other than the ballroom he rented to get whatever assitance anyone of them needed. Social Security people were there as well as medical professionals, and everyone in between. After reading this entire article about his efforts on the survivors behalf I finally let go of the Kopechne thing.
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There are literally thousands of people across the Commonwealth who've been helped like that by him--with little to no fanfare. He's also quietly attended hundreds of military burials at Arlington in the last 6 years--again, with no fanfare or press notifications.
All of us will have to account to our Maker at some point for what we've done in our lives on this earth. I don't presume to judge him or speculate about whether he's made his atonement for the worst night of his life. What happened back in July of 1969, at this point, is between him and his God.
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