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07-30-2009, 01:34 PM
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Location: Easton, MA
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Big Papi = Big Cheater
What a shame, although I can't say I'm all that suprised if it's true. He's my son's favorite Sox player. At least he's too young to understand the whole steroid thing. 
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07-30-2009, 01:42 PM
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Location: Onset
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Bout time, been waiting years for that positive test from him.
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07-30-2009, 01:43 PM
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Location: Warwick
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not surprised by any ballplayer anymore.
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07-30-2009, 01:47 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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ditto, no surprise. Just release all the names and get it over with and move on. The asterisk era.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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07-30-2009, 01:57 PM
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><(((°> ><((( °> ><(((°>
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*****
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60 % of the time, it works every time.
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07-30-2009, 01:59 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Not Surprised here either...and like Prof M said....just release the names and get it over with.......move on....this slow death thing is rediculous
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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07-30-2009, 02:12 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Funny how if the NY paper had the list they would just release those two... (Manny too...)
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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07-30-2009, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Funny how if the NY paper had the list they would just release those two... (Manny too...)
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Funny too how the Mitchell report missed(or ignored any Sox cheaters) |
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07-30-2009, 04:08 PM
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Location: Mansfield, MA
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This is no surprise to me at all, just like many.
Friends and I were discussing his "slump" and we both attributed it to him getting accustomed to not being on the juice any more. I don't believe steroids will make you a better hitter, just more powerful. Getting of the juice through his timing off.
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07-30-2009, 04:23 PM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
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How will MLB handle this era in the future? What will it do to Hall of Fame eligibility?
I believe MLB should list any and all who tested positive and accept it as part of the game's history, just as they did with the Chicago Black Sox. It happened. Recognize it, and move on. A separate wing in Cooperstown for any who tested positive if necessary.
On another note, the Commish should definitely reconsider on Pete Rose's eligibility, especially in light of the steroid era. Put the betting aside for a minute and just look at the numbers and all time ranking in hits, etc. And he didn't juice....
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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07-30-2009, 04:50 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I am personally shocked by this news--I would never have suspected him---RIGHTTTTTTT 
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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07-30-2009, 07:11 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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I just don't care about baseball anymore! They have ruined a once great game! Mind you I used to be a big, BIG fan......but now....not.
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Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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07-30-2009, 07:57 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Whitman,Ma.
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Originally Posted by BigFish
I just don't care about baseball anymore! They have ruined a once great game! Mind you I used to be a big, BIG fan......but now....not.
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I agree Larry..Unfortunatly...I am done...This sucks.. |
I'm going where I'm going... 
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07-30-2009, 07:50 PM
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slow eddie
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rhode Island
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know the feeling larry. been a sox fan for 60 yrs. really bugs me how this whole thing is coming out in dribs and drabs. chinese water torture.
imo if you have ever been caught on steriods, out forever. after all, that isn't your real body doing the hitting. just drugs.
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put them back alive. i do have grandkids.
as your hair gets whiter, your gear gets lighter. 
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07-30-2009, 08:56 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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it is a real shame but you can't blame 100 bad apples compared to all the other clean guys in the game. You have to look at it like that or you will give up the game. Just release all the names and move on. There will be no surprises and the ones that cheated will be exposed and their records will have ******* next to their names and fans will know and that is that and move on. Time heals all wounds and it will pass. To good of a game to be ruined by this.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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07-30-2009, 08:59 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Location: Hanover
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I have given it up Paul...it has been tarnished and sullied! The innocence of the game has been lost and this steroid crap is just the straw that broke the camels back!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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07-30-2009, 09:01 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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Oh.....and its not a "game" anymore and hasn't been for quite awhile....it is a business and this is what has ruined it for me! Make money at all costs......from ownership right on down to the players.....just make money! No love of the game or for the game.....no sense of history and for the glory that used to be "Baseball".
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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07-30-2009, 09:17 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Here and There Seasonally
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"Just make money" It's the American way. I can't believe what's happened to this country from the every day job to the national pastime. No pride and no shame, just greed. It gets harder to resist and avoid this philosophy every day...........
Just look at Papi and tell me you had no clue he was a juicer, or any of the other bovine monsters thundering around the base paths. We all knew this was coming...
Just name the names, void their contracts, send them home and let's get on with it. Paul's correct , they drag the honest players in their filth with them.
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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07-30-2009, 09:18 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: On my boat
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And to think they continue to keep "Charlie Hustle" (who has more hits than anyone who ever played) out of the hall of fame, because he gambled on the game (as a manager, not a player) and that compromised the integrity of the game !!!
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LETS GO BRANDON
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07-30-2009, 10:01 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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Rose should be eligible as a player....exempt as a manager. His wrong doing was done when his playing days were over!! What he did pales in comparison to what the steroid users have done....they have ruined the game. They have taken the integrity out of the game!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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07-31-2009, 09:12 AM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
it is a real shame but you can't blame 100 bad apples compared to all the other clean guys in the game. You have to look at it like that or you will give up the game. Just release all the names and move on. There will be no surprises and the ones that cheated will be exposed and their records will have ******* next to their names and fans will know and that is that and move on. Time heals all wounds and it will pass. To good of a game to be ruined by this.
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Paul---I'd be willing to bet that there weren't 100 clean guys in the game at the height of juicing. Canseco--who's been proven right about almost everything in his book--said it was something like 85% of the players in MLB. I'm thinking he might even have been on the low side. Don't forget that the union warned all of the players well in advance that these "anonymous" tests were going to be given. The fact that 104 players still tested positive is amazing and just the tip of the iceberg.
Also--if you guys think that Manny and Papi were the only two guys on the Sox juicing--I have a bridge to sell you.
And while I agree that Rose should be in the Hall--let's not forget that he cut a deal with Fay Vincent, the Commissioner at the time--he accepted the lifetime ban, including HOF ineligibility, in return for baseball keeping the nature and extent of his gambling secret. Then, almost immediately, he started lobbying the press for reinstatement, and to this very day, continues to deny that he ever bet on baseball. |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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07-31-2009, 12:35 PM
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Seldom Seen
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
And while I agree that Rose should be in the Hall--let's not forget that he cut a deal with Fay Vincent, the Commissioner at the time--he accepted the lifetime ban, including HOF ineligibility, in return for baseball keeping the nature and extent of his gambling secret. Then, almost immediately, he started lobbying the press for reinstatement, and to this very day, continues to deny that he ever bet on baseball.
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Bart Giamatti was the one who initially banned him. His unexpected death has thrown a all subsequent commissioners in a bind as they don't want to be theone who overrules Giamatti. |
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08-06-2009, 05:07 PM
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Mosholu
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NYC
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I have to agree with Mike P that the number is much higher than what has been disclosed. The players of the current generation are no different than the players that took amphetamines, etc. in the 50s and 60s. Pro athletes have been using drugs to enhance their performance for as long as they have been around and we should except that in very rare cases most highly competitive people given the money and pressure of their environment will look for an edge whatever the source.
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07-31-2009, 09:53 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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You are probably right Mike, I am probably being naive, or just wishful thinking.
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