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08-03-2009, 06:18 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: North Kingstown, RI
Posts: 1,229
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What do you THINK????
When you are fishing a favorite spot hard and get skunked what's your thought process?
There were no fish there.
The tide was wrong.
I should have gotten there earlier.
The full moon killed the action.
There was no bait in the area therefore no fish.
I didn't have the right color lure.
I suck.
Seriously, we've all had occasion to fish a trusted spot with lures or bait we are very confident with and despite the stars and moon being in the right place we don't catch...are they there and have lockjaw or do you chalk it up to fishing over barren water?
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08-03-2009, 06:37 AM
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#2
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,270
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Sometimes it is just not my night. Go in with the right attitude, right conditions and go empty handed.
Sometimes it is one of those excuses/reasons (including the occasional "I Suck"  ).
Sometimes, the fish are simply not there...
Hi Mike 
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~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
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08-03-2009, 06:48 AM
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#3
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,203
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish_Eye
When you are fishing a favorite spot hard and get skunked what's your thought process?
There were no fish there.
The tide was wrong.
I should have gotten there earlier.
The full moon killed the action.
There was no bait in the area therefore no fish.
I didn't have the right color lure.
I suck.
Seriously, we've all had occasion to fish a trusted spot with lures or bait we are very confident with and despite the stars and moon being in the right place we don't catch...are they there and have lockjaw or do you chalk it up to fishing over barren water?
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Yes.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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08-03-2009, 07:43 AM
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Geezer Gone Wild
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,397
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Well, what I didn't see was:
- I'm too old
- I'm too tired
- Ya know, I might not be as sharp as I used to think I was, or
- Dammit, I can't believe I have to take a squirt again...
I dunno, sometimes I think it's just theory overload
Who was it that said an expert is someone who can tell you all the reasons why you're not catching fish
And some nights you're just plain snake-bit and couldn't hit a cow in the ass with a bullrake no matter how hard you try... 
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"There is no royal road to this heavy surf-fishing. With all the appliances for comfort experience can suggest, there is a certain amount of hard work to be done and exposure to be bourne as a part of the price of success." From "Striped Bass," Scribner's Magazine, 1881.
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08-03-2009, 07:57 AM
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#5
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish_Eye
When you are fishing a favorite spot hard and get skunked what's your thought process?
There were no fish there.
The tide was wrong.
I should have gotten there earlier.
The full moon killed the action.
There was no bait in the area therefore no fish.
I didn't have the right color lure.
I suck.
Seriously, we've all had occasion to fish a trusted spot with lures or bait we are very confident with and despite the stars and moon being in the right place we don't catch...are they there and have lockjaw or do you chalk it up to fishing over barren water?
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Last night was slam zany for 45 minutes (10:30-11:15) until the moon popped through the clouds. Everything was absolutely perfect too...wind, tide, etc. We were also in a spot where we've taken a lot of real large fish....here's what happened..
1. We got there a little late.
2. Moon killed it.
3. Wrong hue on my eel.
4. I just suck.
5. Summer doldrums...
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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08-03-2009, 08:00 AM
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#6
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
Posts: 17,125
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I try not to think anymore
it hurts my head
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08-03-2009, 08:46 AM
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#7
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: North Kingstown, RI
Posts: 1,229
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Over the last month I've been hitting Block Island HARD...diving, fishing, filming, video, and even a little spearfishing. The place is filthy with fish beyond belief.
On many occasions I'm seeing thousands of fish and NO bait...which always warrants the question, why are they here?
More than once I've dropped in the water and have found dozens of nice stripers swirling around yet the anglers fishing live eels can't buy a fish. The fact is, they are there, they just won't eat...at least eels, at least right at that time. Other times, like last Saturday they wouldn't stop eating for five hours. We caught over 50 stripers with three over 40 (weighed) and another one suspected of being as large, 10 in the upper 30-pound range and the remainder of the fish in the mid to upper 20s. Epic fishing trip.
I will say that I think we outperformed almost every boat that was out there (30 to 50) because of one or two little maneuvers we were implementing. I'm certainly going to be highlighting these tips in techniques in the new DVD I'm working on.
Here's a shot of one of the fish from the weekend. It's hard to make a big fish look large next to the father and son team of Captain Wayne Wood and Travis...BIG BOYS!
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08-03-2009, 09:10 AM
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#8
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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I think lots of times the fish are present and you just don't/can't catch them, no doubt about it.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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08-03-2009, 09:16 AM
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#9
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,574
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Here is a “surf fishing perspective” to your question. Not knowing the answer to your query is what surf fishing is all about – it’s the aspect that keeps me at this game. I’ve been at it for a long time and I’m smart enough to know that sometimes “they just don’t bite”. We surf fishermen don’t have the luxury of using electronics to prove fish are actually there. I always chuckle to myself when another fisherman tells me that there’s nothing around because he can’t possibly know that for sure. Even though I’m “above water” I’ve observed bass swimming with various bait fish in relative harmony – the bait sensing that the bass were not actively feeding. I’m sure you’ve seen it underwater. Just last fall I was casting one night in what I would call perfect conditions – I fished for 2 hours and it was dead and I couldn’t believe there were no fish around. My curiosity got the best of me so I did something I don’t often do – I shined my neck-light on the live eel I was casting when it was close to my perch. To my amazement the eel was being followed by multiple bass into the 20 lb class on every cast as if they were curious but not interested in feeding. They never even bumped the eel. A novice angler that night would have thought nothing was around.
Not knowing all the answers gives me more incentive to keep learning.
DZ
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DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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08-03-2009, 09:16 AM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
Posts: 2,608
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Very impressive 
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"Sunshine Day Dream"
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08-03-2009, 09:20 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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I can't tell you how many times I trolled a tube and worm thru big schools of fish last summer during comm. season to not catch a fish. I marked the most fish I have ever marked as far as tight knit schools last year with the least amount of fish caught from them. It was depressing to know they were there but not interested in the same bait and presentation they were all over the previous years and even earlier in the same season. I would rather have marked barren bottom.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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08-03-2009, 09:43 AM
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#12
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
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Next time try dropping a pogie down.....
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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08-03-2009, 12:50 PM
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#13
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Next time try dropping a pogie down.....
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Or in your case a fresh croissant.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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08-03-2009, 12:56 PM
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#14
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It's about respect baby!
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: ri
Posts: 6,358
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tough the 2 conventional schools of thought would be 1. match the hatch, now your sand eel weather it be a fly or a red gill has to compete with 3 metric tons of actual sand eels to get bit. 2. predator vs prey and bust a HUGE plug that gives the appearence that its looking for the same forage..
I usually sit and watch for a few when they wont take my stuff and hopefully learn something. usually though I think that when i turn around to leave.. one comes to the surface rolls on its side.. and gives me the "fin". 
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Domination takes full concentration..
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08-03-2009, 01:17 PM
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#15
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: over the hill
Posts: 6,682
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If you quit using eels and just fished plugs you'd know why you weren't catching anything........you needed more plugs.....and everything would be great. 
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08-03-2009, 01:13 PM
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#16
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Back Beach
Or in your case a fresh croissant.
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Last week;4:00 am
Piping hot Linguica as well as chocolate.
JACKPOT!!!!!
soon?
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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08-03-2009, 08:13 PM
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#17
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,543
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Next time try dropping a pogie down.....
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Just got in from netting some pogies for dawn patrol..... 
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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08-03-2009, 08:21 PM
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#18
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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Ross they stay alive all night?
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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08-03-2009, 08:46 PM
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#19
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,543
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Yup. I use a bait pen tied to the mooring.
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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08-03-2009, 09:48 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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Yeah, probably right but I usually don't use them and I usually don't find the fish in such concentrated schools in my fishing area. But after a few times out and seeing that behavior I should have used my head and done that. I can be pretty stubborn sometimes and was probably figuring they would eat the the usual sooner than later. I guess they showed me.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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08-03-2009, 11:21 AM
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#21
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: near water
Posts: 208
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ive seen since it mid june, fish are in the area but wont hit anything. More swirls behind my lure than strikes, and tailslaps rather than solid takes. i even did the unthinkable one evening after casting for a while....I threw a big rock into the flat calm sea and watched about 50 fish screw, the water swirled everywhere with fish I went home
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08-03-2009, 12:15 PM
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#22
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,805
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i think there's times when the bite just turns off.... period....
that's typically when i downsize...
or decide to go spend time
doing something else.
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08-03-2009, 12:36 PM
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#23
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woody
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Port St Lucie Fla.
Posts: 1,062
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if we had all the answers  we be rich writing books 
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