Oh flock...

[spence]

Report: CIA threatened detainee families

WASHINGTON - Interrogators threatened to kill the children of a Sept. 11 suspect, according to a CIA report released Monday by the Justice Department.

The report, declassified as part of a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, examined CIA treatment of terror detainees following the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

According to the report, one interrogator said a colleague had told Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that if any other attacks happened in the United States, "We're going to kill your children."

Another interrogator allegedly tried to convince a different terror suspect detainee that his mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him — though the interrogator in question denied making such a threat.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32538742...more_politics/

They had said this new report wasn't going to be good, but I didn't think it would contain stuff like this.

-spence

[scottw]

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

[justplugit]

Hmm, timing an investigation at the peak of the HC dissent by the astro turfs,
could this be the old "broken wing" trick?

[Fly Rod]

We all know that the threats were frivolous. Spence, see if you could find out how many American lives were or maybe have been saved with the info from that type of interrogation saved.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

Right, because if they can do it, why shouldn't we?

With your logic, we should be able to abduct family members of possible terrorists and then send them videos of us beheading their loved ones.

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Right, because if they can do it, why shouldn't we? I never said that, the threat from my standpoint and I assume yours is not likely to be carried out, simply meant to scare or intimidate...however, the threat from KSM's standpoint may sound entirely creadabile because he himself is capable of such a thing and in the culture that he is immersed in this is certainly a reality...

With your logic, we should be able to abduct family members of possible terrorists and then send them videos of us beheading their loved ones. you are really reaching....your imagination is scaring me, I cited context because again, verbal threats are hardly as severe as what KSM's folks are capable of...never suggested that we resort lowering to their level

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

but Spence and MSNBC are all "WEE, WEED UP" over words, just words......pretty sad


and yes, this was released to placate and coalesce the base that is wandering away from "God's Partner"....Panetta was hardly amused....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

but Spence and MSNBC are all "WEE, WEED UP" over words, just words......pretty sad

Yea, cause MSNBC made it all up...

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politi...techniques.htm

and yes, this was released to placate and coalesce the base that is wandering away fron God's Partner....

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

[scottw]

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

what the hell are you talking about Hot Bottom?
I never said it was "made up", just that you are all "wee weed up"
JD IS mainstream

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

If JohnnyD is OK with the techniques, I would guess that the "mainstream" would also have no objections. I would suspect that most Americans would expect this sort of thing, not be shocked or horrified by it. I, also, agree with JohnnyD.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG
I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

You mean like the humane way they interogated Nick Berg?


If you search for it its there, but DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Once you do, you cant un-watch it... It will be stuck in your brain,,, hearing him scream and plead for his life.... There is a Huge difference between us and them.......

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

There is a Huge difference between us and them.......

Are you a complete idiot, or is tonight just a bad night?

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Are you a complete idiot, or is tonight just a bad night?

-spence

Maybe in your eyes.....

What ever we did or do to those involved is perfectly fine with me, if it saved or saves live in the US....

You wanna jump on the "screw America band wagon" every chance you get... They did what they did, and we did what we had to.. ...

So is today, Spence's day to be a total "ass"? or are you having a bad day?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

You wanna jump on the "screw America band wagon" every chance you get...

That's just the lamest sort of BS there is. A weak cop out to avoid a little thought.

Force you to admit your %$%$%$%$ might stink the least bit and you just wrap the flag tighter around your own neck.

These images were created and published for YOUR CONSUMPTION in the hope that you might compromise what you claim to value most.

And you still don't see it.

-spence

[likwid]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

And operators will kill women and children.
A job is a job.

[Duke41]

In this situation you do what you have to do. We are under attack. Every war the enemy is always demonized and made to be inhuman. This is nothing compared to the sick %$%$%$%$ that went on in WW2 or Viet Nam. It ALWAYS happens. ALWAYS. Thats why we should be dam sure before we delcare war on any other country. I say forgive and forget can't do anything about it now. When you release the dogs of war they all get released, even the ones in the special cages.

[Bronko]

I hope this is in jest and you feel this is as foolish as I do... Verbal threats about violence to the family of the mastermind of 9/11... Firing a gun in the cell next to the bomber of the USS Cole and saying we will shoot you next... staging fake beatings...

You really have problems with this type of interrogation? Seriously?

Liberals bitched and moaned about things allegedly that went down Abu Grahib and then later whined about the use of water boarding, the "Physical" tools of interrogation.

Now you have problems with the "verbal" tools? Things like lies...completely contrived and absurd threats....Saying they are going to "get" a family member?

What do you think happens in an interrogation, how do you propose we cull life saving information form mass murderers like Sheik Mohammmed?

Egyptian Cotton sheets and truffles just aren't going to cut it comrad.

[RIROCKHOUND]

PaulS, you just don't get it,
Because stooping down a level or two is OK, we're America...

[fishbones]

Spence, you do understand why this story is being put out there for public consumption right now, don't you? You fell for it hook line, and sinker.

[justplugit]

Yup, this story will beat to death to try and keep citizens distracted from HC.

[Raven]

who cares....

they'll stop at nothing....

the suicidal explosives they are strapping onto
kidnapped children to blow up our citizens in the military
should allow us to use any means possible to
extract info out of them...

[buckman]

This is being pushed by Jan Schanowky from Illinois. Enough said. If you can't admit that this is politcally motivated then you are an idiot ( no offense, it just seems to be a name people like to use here). And I'm sure we have not had the moral high ground for 230 yrs. We have aways had people that will do whatever it takes to save others.
It's as simple as " if your kid was burried alive" Those that say they would do nothing... well I'm glad Your not my parent.

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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

.. well I'm glad Your not my parent.

Is it claustrophobic underground?
What did your parents have to do?
I would have left you there


OF COURSE this was politically motivated, EVERYTHING that is not breaking news (i.e. released) FROM BOTH sides is timed for maximum efficiency. it is unfortunate that these games get played, but it doesn't change the story, it only changes the context of WHEN it was released.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Is it claustrophobic underground?
What did your parents have to do?
I would have left you there


OF COURSE this was politically motivated, EVERYTHING that is not breaking news (i.e. released) FROM BOTH sides is timed for maximum efficiency. it is unfortunate that these games get played, but it doesn't change the story, it only changes the context of WHEN it was released.

Brian, I'm sure your smart enough to understand what I meant. (FYI, I never said you were an idiot, that's your fabrication.) You would do whatever it takes to save your child. Am I wrong? It's a simple yes or no answer. Would you threaten someone? Would you put a gun to their head? YES or NO

A political witch hunt that will hurt our national security is not my idea of the "moral highground". Is it yours?

[Swimmer]

The only thing that bothers me about this story is that it did not remain a secret. The SOB that made it public should be in jail.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

The only thing that bothers me about this story is that it did not remain a secret. The SOB that made it public should be in jail.

jail's to good for him.............

he should be air dropped with a parachute in the middle of the Serengeti....

[RIROCKHOUND]

None of us are idiots. Just playing with your words a bit.. I think you referred to liberals as idiots many moons ago... thats the quote, not me personally...

of course it is yes, but they still have not shown that ANY of this works to get credible information, so why do we continue to do it and hurt our credibility with the rest of the non-terrorist world...

That being said, do I believe there are always people willing to do anything? yes. Is that a bad thing, no, BUT it is a very fine line to walk.

My worry is where does it lead, and whats next? This stuff being done to the wrong person? Americans? Not a big deal, if it saves 100 lives, ends justify the means etc.. is not a the only answer to me...

[buckman]

I agree with you Brian, Where do you draw the line? I'm going to let people more knowledgable then me (insert joke here) make that decision. My problem is rehashing this won't do any of us any good, will hurt moral at the CIA, cost millions and millions, act as a distraction, and divide an already divided country. What we know now is that our new methods are to treat terrorist with the respect and dignity they deserve. I feel so much safer now.

[Fly Rod]

IDIOT

A person having a mentel age of less then 3 years old.

A stupid or foolish person.

Someone fitting the discription above would be considered an IDIOT.

Since the word is used quite frequently in this forum I thought it a good idea to put the definition.

[spence]

This argument isn't about the timing of the release.

It's about the obvious duplicity that undermines our real objectives.

And for being weak, it takes a far stronger person to live by their own word.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

This argument isn't about the timing of the release.

It's about the obvious duplicity that undermines our real objectives.

And for being weak, it takes a far stronger person to live by their own word.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Hmmm... I guess it would take a lot of strength to stick to your beliefs, and not do everything in your power to stop/prevent a terrorist act. I know I don't have, or want that kind of strength. I was raised that when you see someone in need you help them, when you see someone being hurt, you stop those hurting them.. Even if it means you may just add your name to the list of those being hurt, you have to do all you can to stop or prevent it.

Maybe I'm the one who's morally wrong, but even if some scumbag had a relative of yours (child, mother, sister...) and we had his partner in crime... I would get the information out of scumbag #2, no matter what, to save your relative.

So put that on a bigger scale,, just think what I would do to get info from a terrorist to save thousands of peoples relatives...

And did I read that right earlier, that you think those photos are faked, or fabricated? I have seen 5 or 6 similar videos of these "be headings" and they are not faked or fabricated.