Did anyone see the FOX interview of ACORN founder?

[Swimmer]

Last night on Fox a pre-recorded interview was aired and it was very interesting. Very honest in the questions asked and answered. Even about the guys brother who stole all that money. The money trail is too long to actually try to follow. Acorn is actually made up of thousands of some big but mostly small entities that all get money from you and me. Next time its on I'll have to watch it in its entirety.

[Fly Rod]

Yes, I watched it.

It was about the grass roots of how that person started to legally scam the government up to and including today.

Until recently they have done a pretty good job of scaming the government, also the public.

[spence]

I watched most of it.

Here's the net...Acorn has had a number of issues for sure, and has also done some good to help the inner city. They deserve to be investigated for a number of claims against them.

But at the end of the day, the amount of taxpayer money at play here is peanuts compared to other industries.

How much taxpayer money has been wasted in the defense industry over the decades? Hell, how much just in the Iraq reconstruction? We're not talking the few millions Acorn has received, we're talking hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

Yet, listening to Right wing talk radio or FOX News you'd think that ACORN was a bigger threat to the US than alQaida.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

I watched most of it.

Here's the net...Acorn has had a number of issues for sure, and has also done some good to help the inner city. They deserve to be investigated for a number of claims against them.

But at the end of the day, the amount of taxpayer money at play here is peanuts compared to other industries.

How much taxpayer money has been wasted in the defense industry over the decades? Hell, how much just in the Iraq reconstruction? We're not talking the few millions Acorn has received, we're talking hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

Yet, listening to Right wing talk radio or FOX News you'd think that ACORN was a bigger threat to the US than alQaida.

-spence

Have you been waterboarded? Nobody thinks that Acorn is a bigger threat. They must be held accountable for their illegal actions. And it would have been billions not millions that they were going to get.

[buckman]

My big issue with Acorn is they are using taxpayer$$ to elect folks they want.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

My big issue with Acorn is they are using taxpayer$$ to elect folks they want.

Have they?

I've seen a number of complaints against individual Acorn members, but never any credible argument that they have been able to actually influence elections. This was the assertion of the McCain campaign in 2008 and it's been thoroughly debunked. Registration of false voters isn't nearly the same thing as casting illegal votes.

Hell, the inner city probably votes Dem 98% of the time and do you think Acorn's reach extends beyond that?

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

Have they?

I've seen a number of complaints against individual Acorn members, but never any credible argument that they have been able to actually influence elections. This was the assertion of the McCain campaign in 2008 and it's been thoroughly debunked. Registration of false voters isn't nearly the same thing as casting illegal votes.

Hell, the inner city probably votes Dem 98% of the time and do you think Acorn's reach extends beyond that?

-spence

There are a few Acorn big players on trial for fraudulently registering voters. If someone is not legally eligible to vote, and then they end up voting because they were fraudulently registered, is that vote not cast illegally? May not be the same, but it's still wrong and can influence an election.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

There are a few Acorn big players on trial for fraudulently registering voters. If someone is not legally eligible to vote, and then they end up voting because they were fraudulently registered, is that vote not cast illegally? May not be the same, but it's still wrong and can influence an election.

Show me where Acorn has actually influenced the number of votes cast, I've not seen it.

Voter registration, while certainly illegal, doesn't do anything but potentially line the pockets of those paid to register voters.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Show me where Acorn has actually influenced the number of votes cast, I've not seen it.

Voter registration, while certainly illegal, doesn't do anything but potentially line the pockets of those paid to register voters.

-spence

If someone is being paid to register voters, the person who is paying must have a reason. I can't think of a reason to pay someone to register voters unless it is that those so registered will vote. And if the votes thus cast are totally random (quantum theory votes?), is the philanthropist who is paying for the votes just making sure that citizens, who might not do so, are exercising their civic duty? Or is the "philanthropist" specifically requiring registration of voters in specific areas (inner city) who vote 98% Democrat and might not otherwise be inclined to vote? And how do you measure if the bought and paid for votes were cast? Of course, there is the possibility that the "philanthropist" is just giving the vote registerer some busy work to justify "lining his pocket."

[Nebe]

And haliburton charges $100 do do one small load of laundry in Iraq...
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