Please read. fisheries law question.....

[sully12rng]

Its been a bit since I have posted.....I have a question I am shure someone here could answer. We are a Northeast bowhunting production company and have a show on the pursuit network as well. I was thinking of some things to film this summer and I fish a ton in the off season so last night I got to thinking about filming an episode bowfishing sharks. I do know it is illegal to spearfish for bass in Mass. Would Bowfishing Shark be legal? I have looked for information but cant find any. It's now stuck in my head and I want to take one shark if legal with the bow. Thank you in advance.

[RIROCKHOUND]

I have only one question?

Why?

[Rob Rockcrawler]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I have only one question?

Why?

Yup.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I have only one question?

Why?

Its never been done before.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Its never been done before.

NOT TRUE!!!
if you Google "bowhunting sharks" you will find a ton of stuff. Apparently it is done all over the world.

I am not casting judgement one way or the other. To each his own.

[OLD GOAT]

Ask around in Hawaii, I Remember seeing some snorkel swimmers that went after Marlin or swordfish and tuna with a spear gun

[kevinthegood]

recreational fishing for shark = rod and reel,handline only

[WoodyCT]

... it's about finding something that has never been done and making it happen. "

Will the dead fish wind up in a dumpster after being photographed, or do you plan to eat it?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Maybe the question should be "Why Not"

[JohnR]

You would likely be looking at something in federal laws for that

[WoodyCT]

Why not use a rifle?
Why not use a pistol?
Why not use a crossbow?
Why not use a sword?
Why not use a dagger?
Why not use a hammer?
Why not use fork?

Why ask striper fishermen about killing a big dumb fish with a deer hunting weapon?

[ProfessorM]

obviously not a catch and release episode.

[fishbones]

How about the scuba tank and a bullet like in Jaws? That would be an episode I'd be sure to watch.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Let me clarify.
Spearfishing is fine. get in the water with the shark and go after it with a spear that connects you to the shark... not my cup of tea, but more 'sporting' than shooting a shark with an arrow from a boat.

[sully12rng]

In other states Bowfishing is huge. Saltwater Bowfishing for rays and such is a giant sport. Keep in mind I catch and release hundreds of stripers each year. It was an idea for a show because I have never seen it done and have tons of friends that fish shark tourneys . I figured someone here might be able to answer the question about if it was legal or not. As for WHY.....I like to shoot things with sharp sticks. It's not about killing something it's about finding something that has never been done and making it happen. My idea was to rig a bowfishing setup with heavier line and a tuna ball. I dont think a mid size shark will take it down before it expires.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Let me clarify.
Spearfishing is fine. get in the water with the shark and go after it with a spear that connects you to the shark... not my cup of tea, but more 'sporting' than shooting a shark with an arrow from a boat.

How do you figure? Other than the shark not being able to eat you because your on a boat what is the difference? I guess everyones idea of sporting is a little different. I say go for it.

[RIROCKHOUND]

First of all, I'm not trying to jump all over this guy, but do i agree with it? no.

Here are my issues.
1. 99% it will be a blue shark, so dead and not eaten.

2. We're not talking about darting it w/ a 4" harpoon dart, you are talking about shooting with presumably a broad head attached to a poly ball, and then chasing it around then hand lining it to the boat. What are the odds of the arrow ripping out of a fairly soft animal like a shark? I'd wager pretty good, so you essentially will be doing some long range releases on a potentially mortally wounded fish. This isn't the woods where you can track the dead, once the arrow falls out the shark is out of your control. For the record, I have participated in the OB and Snug Tournaments, and have seen darts rip out of sharks more than once. get them in the wrong spot and it isn't like sticking a tuna... I don't agree with killing any species for trophy not to be eaten, and don't partake anymore

I have ZERO (0) problem with eating things hunted or caught legally. ZERO. However I don't see the sport in this. You will chum them to the boat, shoot them with a pointy stick tied to a ball and then waiting for it to die then handline it to the boat. I equate that to driving down the road, shooting a cow and then chasing it around until it dies.

Now, get in the water, with a spear gun and stalk and fight the shark in it's element, I might not agree, but you would at least be leveling the playing field a bit.

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

First of all, I'm not trying to jump all over this guy, but do i agree with it? no.

Here are my issues.
1. 99% it will be a blue shark, so dead and not eaten.

2. We're not talking about darting it w/ a 4" harpoon dart, you are talking about shooting with presumably a broad head attached to a poly ball, and then chasing it around then hand lining it to the boat. What are the odds of the arrow ripping out of a fairly soft animal like a shark? I'd wager pretty good, so you essentially will be doing some long range releases on a potentially mortally wounded fish. This isn't the woods where you can track the dead, once the arrow falls out the shark is out of your control. For the record, I have participated in the OB and Snug Tournaments, and have seen darts rip out of sharks more than once. get them in the wrong spot and it isn't like sticking a tuna... I don't agree with killing any species for trophy not to be eaten, and don't partake anymore

I have ZERO (0) problem with eating things hunted or caught legally. ZERO. However I don't see the sport in this. You will chum them to the boat, shoot them with a pointy stick tied to a ball and then waiting for it to die then handline it to the boat. I equate that to driving down the road, shooting a cow and then chasing it around until it dies.

Now, get in the water, with a spear gun and stalk and fight the shark in it's element, I might not agree, but you would at least be leveling the playing field a bit.

fishing heads have barbed heads so they won't pull out

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by maddmatt

fishing heads have barbed heads so they won't pull out

On a relatively soft shark with the drag of a line and poly ball?

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

On a relatively soft shark with the drag of a line and poly ball?

penetration is pretty good

i've seen them go completely through a 200 lb gar

they have scales like a tarpon (armor)

if u stuck em in a good spot i think the head would hold

don't know about the chafing though.....

[WoodyCT]

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;750328]First of all, I'm not trying to jump all over this guy, but do i agree with it? no.

Here are my issues.
1. 99% it will be a blue shark, so dead and not eaten."

IE - DUMPSTER FISH AFTER A PHOTO. THE CHANCES OF AN EDIBLE SHARK BEING TAKEN THIS WAY ARE MIGHTY SLIM, BUT THE BRAINLESS BLUEDOG...

2. "We're not talking about darting it w/ a 4" harpoon dart, you are talking about shooting with presumably a broad head attached to a poly ball, and then chasing it around then hand lining it to the boat. What are the odds of the arrow ripping out of a fairly soft animal like a shark? ... I don't agree with killing any species for trophy not to be eaten, and don't partake anymore. "

YES

"I have ZERO (0) problem with eating things hunted or caught legally. ZERO. However I don't see the sport in this. You will chum them to the boat, shoot them with a pointy stick tied to a ball and then waiting for it to die then handline it to the boat."

YES


While a novel adventure, perhaps not the most sporting or in the best interest of the image recreational fishing wants to portray. PETA would use it as an example of wanton destruction of wildlife.

How about sneaking the boat up on a school of blues and letting an arrow fly instead?

[Nebe]

Please consider dogfish.

[sully12rng]

It was just an idea.....I would like to fill our off season time with some out of the box ideas...I'm on the water most of the summer after turkey season ends and my wheels are spinning thinking of episodes to film....I'm still trying to ice fish my first striper.....I know they are where I'm fishing....It will happen. I just don't want to be boring like every other show.
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[piemma]

I for one applaude you. Takes guts to try something different.

Don't pay too much attention to the NAY Sayers. It's almost March and some of the guys are just getting stir crazy.

We use to have unbelievable "flame wars" at this time of year. One guys wanted to meet me and duke it out. Almost all of that stuff died when "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&" got banned from the site.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Paul:
In all seriousness, you would advocate shooting a shark with a boy and arrow as described?

Seriously?

You know I'm not anti-hunting, but this just seems pointless

[sully12rng]

I have looked into it and in most other states bowfishing is a HUGE saltwater sport. People hunt the ocean for everything from rays to reds. There is specialized equipment made specific for the sport capable of handling 200+ pound fish. 12' alligators are taken using the same equipment. It was just a thought......not much different than harpooning a tuna at all. (something else I would love to do) I have only caught them trolling and they were all under 200 lbs. I was on the ferry coming off of Block Island years back and saw a spear fisherman who had taken a 40+lb bass using nothing but a snorkel and a wet suit. Thats cool to me as well. There isn't much in this world that doesn't interest me..

[MakoMike]

The short answer to the question is that if the shark is legal you can kill it any way you want. I'll leave it to solons to decide the moral questions.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I love the fact that every single person here jams a pointy metal object in the mouth or throat of a fish and physically rips it from its home....and thats OK.......but they have issues when it doesn't match up with there own philosophy.

You do realize that there is no humane way to fish....unless its with a camera. Even the devout Catch, Cuddle and Release guys are still ripping a fish from its home with a hook impaled in its lip, barbless or not.

Sully, give it a shot....might be cool to watch. Only one that has to answer the Moral question is You.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I love the fact that every single person here jams a pointy metal object in the mouth or throat of a fish and physically rips it from its home....and thats OK.......but they have issues when it doesn't match up with there own philosophy.

You do realize that there is no humane way to fish....unless its with a camera. Even the devout Catch, Cuddle and Release guys are still ripping a fish from its home with a hook impaled in its lip, barbless or not.

Sully, give it a shot....might be cool to watch. Only one that has to answer the Moral question is You.

Dead on.

No different than Charter Captains or Recs that keep their limit every trip out and then complain that the limits need to be reduced.

Seems like we're approaching that time when many get pissy before we enter the tradeshow season - I know I got that way briefly.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Seems like we're approaching that time when many get pissy before we enter the tradeshow season - I know I got that way briefly.

Me.....Pissy....Never, just ask my wife, I'm sure she'll vouch for me.





On Second thought......