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12-09-2010, 12:11 PM
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To those who mocked Palin when she talked about "death panels"
Now, I find the term "death panels" inflammatory. But Palin was vilified by the left for suggesting that governmnet run healthcare would result in death panels.
Tell that to the parents of this little kid.
I'm sure the kooks at MSNBC will be issuing an apology to Palin any minute now, given that she was 100 percent correct, even if her chioce of words was incendiary.
After budget cuts, Indiana baby denied life-saving treatment - Yahoo! News
May God look after this kid. I made a small donation. |
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12-09-2010, 01:17 PM
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Your correlation of those two topics might be the most ridiculous thing I've read all week.
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12-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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yeah, what's wrong with you Jim? It's not like that story is about governement/state provided and run health care/ insurance agency denying payment for life saving treatment to someone due to budget restraints and rationing or anything.......geez....
next you'll be telling us that hundreds and hundreds of companies need Obamacare waivers....
http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations...or_waiver.html
Last edited by scottw; 12-09-2010 at 01:38 PM..
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12-09-2010, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Your correlation of those two topics might be the most ridiculous thing I've read all week.
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Another cheap, tired, and common liberal tactic...
Johnny calls my correlation "ridiculous", yet he offers NOT ONE WORD, not one, as to why my correlation is flawed.
Insulting me is easy. try telling me where I'm wrong, please. enlighten us... |
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12-09-2010, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Another cheap, tired, and common liberal tactic...
Johnny calls my correlation "ridiculous", yet he offers NOT ONE WORD, not one, as to why my correlation is flawed.
Insulting me is easy. try telling me where I'm wrong, please. enlighten us...
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Why bother? Trying to have a discussion with you is futile and merely results in a long pretentious, condescending post from you droning on about how much you hate liberals. Reading about the same 5 talking points has grown exceptionally boring.
What is going to happen to the child is a shame but it is the unfortunate result of not being able to afford real health care. Kids die every day. It's a terrible tragedy but it is not the taxpayer's job to pay half a million dollars to save a person's life.
Edit - Apparently, my post has been edited by a moderator without the courteous of a pm and my main point taken out.
Last edited by JohnnyD; 12-09-2010 at 02:31 PM..
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12-09-2010, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Why bother? Attempting to have a discussion with you is like trying to reason with these people:
and merely results in a long pretentious, condescending post from you droning on about how much you hate liberals. Reading about the same 5 talking points has grown exceptionally boring.
What is going to happen to the child is a shame but it is the unfortunate result of not being able to afford real health care. Kids die every day. It's a terrible tragedy but it is not the taxpayer's job to pay half a million dollars to save a person's life.
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nice family photo JD
Last edited by The Dad Fisherman; 12-09-2010 at 02:31 PM..
Reason: Don't need to go there
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12-09-2010, 01:57 PM
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Right...
because Obama's healthcare bill, and not the (Republican) Govenor's budget slashing that did this.
There was a case in Arizona last week with an otherwise healthy woman in her 20's who needed a transplant... all Obama's Death Panels...
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Right...
because Obama's healthcare bill, and not the (Republican) Govenor's budget slashing that did this.
There was a case in Arizona last week with an otherwise healthy woman in her 20's who needed a transplant... all Obama's Death Panels...
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Rockhound, Gov Palin's concern was that Obama's healthcare plan would result in governmnet employees making life-and-death decisions regarding whether or not healthcare would be provided.
If you have proof that Obama's plan has something in it that would prevent that from happening, that would prove that Palin was wrong. Since you are mocking me, I assume you can point me to the language in Obama's bill that says that never would any government employee make thos ekinds of decisions.
If you want to defend Oba,a's plan by saying that government employees make those kinds of decisions today, therefore Obama's plan doesn't change the status quo, that's valid.
The fact is, there would be government employees deciding who lives and who dies. Like we have today, and I'm opposed to that today. |
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12-09-2010, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
The fact is, there would be government employees deciding who lives and who dies. Like we have today, and I'm opposed to that today.
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I chose the status quo argument. This is different than someone at United or BlueCross making the very same decisions how?
I don't see the difference, you are trading one decider for another. My hope is that the current HC plan allows more people to have insurance, rather than go to the Social service Agency in the first place. |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 02:10 PM
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[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;817175]I chose the status quo argument. This is different than someone at United or BlueCross making the very same decisions how?
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its opening up a huge can of worms that the government has no business in. Nothing good will come out of this.
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12-09-2010, 02:13 PM
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[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;81717
its opening up a huge can of worms that the government has no business in. Nothing good will come out of this.[/QUOTE]
But you are ok with private businesses making the same decisions? Would this same procedure be covered by a private insurance co?
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 02:19 PM
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[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;817178]
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
I chose the status quo argument. This is different than someone at United or BlueCross making the very same decisions how?
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its opening up a huge can of worms that the government has no business in. Nothing good will come out of this.
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"This is different than someone at United or BlueCross making the very same decisions how? "
Here's how. Look at the difference between the US Post Office and FedEx. Government cannot do anything better than private companies. The larger role the government plays, the more waste there is, menaing less money to pay for actual care, meaning MORE families are told "no", compared to having private companies handle these things.
You really, really don't get that? That's why I want private companies in this space, and not just the feds. Private companies have an incentive to be as lean as possible. The feds would have all kinds of ineffecencies, plus unions to placate.
Lile you, I wish everyone had good healthcare. But if the choice is between limited care provided by the feds, or limited care provided by private enterprise, I'll take private enterprise. |
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12-09-2010, 02:16 PM
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I think Palin's point was more to the fact that a Government board would be deciding whether someone receives care based on the panel reading the patients history and making a determination whether it is warranted that their treatment gets paid for by the government....where this looks more like there just simply isn't any money for it do to budget cuts.
At least that's how I read the differences in the two.....
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12-09-2010, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
At least that's how I read the differences in the two.....
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I would agree with that. good point TDF |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 02:35 PM
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How come Jim in Cts quote is attributed to me? everyone knows I dont type that well.
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12-09-2010, 02:43 PM
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OK. enough of this back to work 
Who is advocating for a single payer system?
Not I. I didn't once say we need a single payer system.
You are right about free market. My earlier question stands, would this experimental treatment have been covered by any reasonable private or public insurance? |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
OK. enough of this back to work
Who is advocating for a single payer system?
Not I. I didn't once say we need a single payer system.
You are right about free market. My earlier question stands, would this experimental treatment have been covered by any reasonable private or public insurance? |
ummmm....if you are getting your healthcare benefits through a government agency you are on single payer health insurance(WHICH IS WHY THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE)...the single payer being the tax payer...
there is a far greater chance and many more options for this child in a thriving, free market healthcare than in an overregulated, underfunded government run system(which happens to be the current state of pretty much every example that you can exhibit AND THE DIRECTION THAT OBAMACARE SEEKS TO TAKE US) .... |
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