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02-03-2011, 12:22 PM
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BuzzLuck
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Raising Arizona: No MA listed?
At least 15 state legislatures are considering measures modeled after provisions of SB1070 that made Arizona the first state to allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. The list does not include Wyoming, where a House committee this week killed a bill that would have allowed police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation. (Includes measures that had formally been introduced as of Feb. 2.)
• California
The Assembly is considering a measure that would require police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.
• Colorado
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. The Senate is considering a measure that would require them to.
• Florida
The Senate is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. It would go further than the Arizona law by increasing criminal penalties if a crime is committed by an illegal immigrant.
• Georgia
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.
• Indiana
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. A hearing on the bill was this week postponed because of wintry weather.
• Kentucky
The Senate has passed a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. Action in the House is pending.
• Maine
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.
• Maryland
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.
• Mississippi
Senate- and House-passed measures would allow police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for a traffic violation. The House and the Senate are negotiating their differences over the legislation, which Gov. Haley Barbour has signaled he would sign. That would make Mississippi the first state to join Arizona in enacting such a bill.
• Nebraska
The Senate is considering a measure that would require non-U.S. citizens to carry proof of their legal status and would require police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. A countermeasure would declare immigration a federal policy issue and direct Nebraska's congressional delegation to seek "a workable immigration system."
• Oregon
A bill in the House would require all public officials to "enforce immigration law" or be held legally liable. The bill's sponsor said she doesn't expect it to pass but hopes it stimulates debate on illegal immigration.
• South Carolina
A measure that would allow police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation is before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
• Texas
Several bills that would require police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation have been introduced after Gov. Rick Perry asked legislators to make illegal immigration a priority this session.
• Utah
The House is considering a measure that would allow police to question the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. An alternative proposal would allow illegal immigrants to register so they could live and work in Utah without fear of deportation.
• Virginia
A measure that would require police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation was introduced in the House this week.
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02-03-2011, 12:54 PM
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Location: Easton, MA
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I just read an article about that. This could be a slippery slope for a lot of Republicans who campaigned on the illegal immigration issue.
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02-03-2011, 01:23 PM
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Location: Marshfield, Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBuzz
The list does not include Wyoming, where a House committee this week killed a bill that would have allowed police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation.
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Buzz, didn't you know? There are no immigrants currently living in Wyoming......... |
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02-03-2011, 03:09 PM
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I think
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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02-03-2011, 03:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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Then they shouldn't be allowed to check your record and see if your broke any other laws either. |
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02-03-2011, 03:35 PM
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i disagree
not everyone that looks like an Illegal is an illegal
which is what all the fuss is about right from the beginning
which turns us from a free society to one closer to NAZI Germany
when anyone could be asked "your Papers Please".
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02-03-2011, 05:35 PM
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Location: Mansfield, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
not everyone that looks like an Illegal is an illegal
which is what all the fuss is about right from the beginning
which turns us from a free society to one closer to NAZI Germany
when anyone could be asked "your Papers Please".
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Profiling may not be the politically correct method, but it sure as hell would be the most efficient.
The chances that a white guy driving an Audi SUV is and illegal is a whole lot less than a van filled with 6 people that don't speak English. Not to mention, illegals that are driving more than likely don't have car insurance - something that puts ever other person on the road at risk.
I can't imagine it would be overly difficult to also check immigration status during the the 15 minutes they are back there in their cruiser making me wonder if I'm getting a ticket or not. |
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02-03-2011, 03:48 PM
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Location: Marshfield, Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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I disagree on this. At a minimum I think it should be anyone brought into custody (caught red handed or not)
I think they should be able to check immigration status without taking away someones “human rights”. Why can’t States just list on a drivers license if the person is a citizen or not? Here in Massachusetts driving is a “privilege” not a “right”. If it’s a privilege, then change the law to read that “US Citizen” or “Non US Citizen” be listed on that “privileged” license. |
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02-05-2011, 06:43 PM
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Hardcore Equipment Tester
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Abington, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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Try going to a foreign country and over staying your visa... |
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02-05-2011, 06:49 PM
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Hardcore Equipment Tester
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Bent Rods and Screaming Reels!
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02-03-2011, 03:54 PM
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If you get stopped they should be allowed to check your status. They do the same for everyone that gets stopped as far as there being any outstanding warrants and such
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02-03-2011, 03:57 PM
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Also known as OAK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
If you get stopped they should be allowed to check your status. They do the same for everyone that gets stopped as far as there being any outstanding warrants and such
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I know I'm a mentally defective liberal, but...
As long as there is a legitimate reason for stopping them, I see no problem with the ICE database being available to the police. I do worry that the legitimate reason becomes less clear to some people however.... |
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02-03-2011, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
I know I'm a mentally defective liberal, but...
As long as there is a legitimate reason for stopping them, I see no problem with the ICE database being available to the police. I do worry that the legitimate reason becomes less clear to some people however....
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Ok, so the ICE database is what they would use. That would work and I would have no objection for police checking it if someone were legitimatly stopped. |
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02-03-2011, 03:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
If you get stopped they should be allowed to check your status. They do the same for everyone that gets stopped as far as there being any outstanding warrants and such
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I agree, I wonder if the "BOP" (Board of Parol) system includes this info now. I don't think it does as not all systems are linked to a Federal System (I could be wrong). I would think the Federal System would have to provide "Citizenship" status as a state system might now have that info. |
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02-03-2011, 04:03 PM
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BuzzLuck
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Brockton
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Let's do the same as is done with drunk driving check points, no profiling no nothing: stop EVERYONE and check!
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Given the diversity of the human species, there is no “normal” human genome sequence. We are all mutants.
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02-03-2011, 04:50 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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brought into custody?
sounds like they got arrested which is quite different
post 9-11 ......... its "almost" a necessary evil
considering one of the Saudi's involved was stopped
and issued a citation and then sent on his way
i have lived places where there were signs ahead saying
mandatory checkpoint ahead
and i didn't like it
i don't wanna be on foot out shopping and be carded
just because i sport a beard
yet i had to show my ID at CVS wednesday
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02-06-2011, 08:13 AM
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Sounds more like weak leadership.
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