Ban the Striper Cup now!!!

[Just n time]

good luck

[stiff tip]

FIND ANOTHER RANT OR RAGE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH BEFORE....THANK YOU

[MarshCappa]

[Just n time]

And NOTHING has been done...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Just n time

Freedom of speech!
And NOTHING has been done...

No such thing as freedom of speech on a privately owned forum.

[Sea Flat]

Like I said in a previous thread.

I believe it is possible to sign up for and fish this tournament as a responsible angler that cares about the fishery. Most people that sign up to fish the Striper Cup on this site will not even weigh in any fish. Plus I think that those that do will do it in a responsible way to avoid the unnecessary killing of a fish that will not count at a later date.

Responsible fishermen that care about the resource will behave that way whether they fish a tournament or not. Fishermen that do not care for the resource will behave the same way whether they fish the tournament or not as well.

I truly believe that most (but not all) fishermen that catch a fish worthy of getting a prize in the Striper Cup would most likely keep that fish anyway. Again, not all, but most.

[Sea Dangles]

Nice concept;if it weren't for ideas such as this we would be funding the Royal Wedding.

F the naysayers and follow your conscience.

[The Dad Fisherman]

If YOU don't want to fish it then don't, If YOU want to send them angry e-mails then type away, if YOU want to boycott "On the Water"....then have at it.

Last time I looked the Striper Cup wasn't against the law.....so if Fisherman want to particpate in it they are well within their rights. If clubs want to field a team then that, also, is well within their rights.....so don't question anybody's "Stones" because a club has members that want to fish it.

I'm REALLY starting to get tired of everybody else's personal preferences being shoved in my face.

Bottom Line.....If You Don't Like it, Don't Fish it....

[StriperSniper]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

If YOU don't want to fish it then don't, If YOU want to send them angry e-mails then type away, if YOU want to boycott "On the Water"....then have at it.

Last time I looked the Striper Cup wasn't against the law.....so if Fisherman want to particpate in it they are well within their rights. If clubs want to field a team then that, also, is well within their rights.....so don't question anybody's "Stones" because a club has members that want to fish it.

I'm REALLY starting to get tired of everybody else's personal preferences being shoved in my face.

Bottom Line.....If You Don't Like it, Don't Fish it....

AMEN !

[robc22]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

If YOU don't want to fish it then don't, If YOU want to send them angry e-mails then type away, if YOU want to boycott "On the Water"....then have at it.

Last time I looked the Striper Cup wasn't against the law.....so if Fisherman want to particpate in it they are well within their rights. If clubs want to field a team then that, also, is well within their rights.....so don't question anybody's "Stones" because a club has members that want to fish it.

I'm REALLY starting to get tired of everybody else's personal preferences being shoved in my face.
Bottom Line.....If You Don't Like it, Don't Fish it....

110 % Agree.....Sick and tired of C&R nazi's trying to tell me how to fish..........

[JohnR]

JnT - - with your proposed regs there will be no baitfish, no bluefish, and eventually a thoroughly screwed up striped bass fishery. Though you'll be able to walk across them I guess. In 30 years you'll have 200 million hungry bass.

But thank you for presenting the other extreme side.

Now where we need to be is somewhere in the middle. We're still on the wrong side of balance but we want to get this fishery balanced.

[dannyplug1]

I totally agree. In fact when I renued my subscription to on the water. I expressed concern with the tournament. Yes keeping big stripers is not illegal. However with the many problems in regard to striper reproduction (see the dismal spawning numbers in the Chesapeake as recorded by the set of Maryland). In my humble opinion any tournament that encourages killing large striped bass for prizes sends the wrong message. I urge on the water to do the right thing take the bass out of the cup and promote responsible stewardship of the resource that we all love. Thirty years ago we came extremely close to killing off the bass. This time we might not be so lucky.
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[afterhours]

amen charlie.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Isn't there a political forum? They one I don't go in because I try not to get into arguments. These posts should be moved there once they are posted. Or move them to another pissandmoan forum or whogivesa#^&#^&#^&#^&whatuthink forum. It sucks having this stuff in the main forum.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

Isn't there a political forum? They one I don't go in because I try not to get into arguments. These posts should be moved there once they are posted. Or move them to another pissandmoan forum or whogivesa#^&#^&#^&#^&whatuthink forum. It sucks having this stuff in the main forum.
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Its fish discussion, while I may have feel that this tourney can fished efficiently (and I think we do), I won't squash the discussion and good natured debate in exchange for happy talk. Stripers or Scup, as long as it is honest discussion, its open. As for S-B fishing the cup, that is an annual decision. This year we are in. Next year, depends on stock assessments, regulations, and anything OTW may do to further reduce impact on the fish.

[Raven]

westport mafia has a good point there
cuz it's happier times are here again time

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raven

westport mafia has a good point there
cuz it's happier times are here again time

Yeh, but its about fishing. If it goes over the top (in my opinion it didn't) it can get bounced to scuppers or round filed.

Besides, today is April 15th. Symbolicaly there can be no "happy times" today

[afterhours]

it's just that some of us who were around back in the 80's are seeing it happen right before our eyes AGAIN. some of us love fishing for the sport of it and are willing to sacrifice the killing for the benefit of the fish at this time. this is not a political rant this is a fishing commentary that belongs front and center. after all isn't catching fish what it's all about...no fish no catch.

[Haus]

I'm no scientist, but observation is a part of science...and my observation and experience from the last 10years tells me there are less stripers. There may be some big ones being caught, but those are older fish. There are many less small to midsize stripers out there. Everything from the trawling to kill tournaments are the problem right now. Because these things are legal, does it make them right? I don't think so. It is legal to be an prick to everybody you meet, but is it right? No! In the end you'll get your ass kicked, just like all the fishermen when there are so many less fish.
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[HugeDinghy]

good luck, while you're at it see what you can do about high fructos corn syrup..thats some bad chit...

[Just n time]

I started this post because I wanted to see if the tide has turned and sadly it has not. I removed the original post due to threats and personal attacks. If people want to kill breader fish because they have "the right" go ahead. The facts are clear, the stocks are way down so if you want to have a pin in your hat in spite of the facts go for it. When the stocks crash you will still have your pin,comforting thought...if the major power house clubs and orgs don't want to take the lead fine. Every decision has a consequence...

[Just n time]

When we finally make the bass a game fish we will ensure that the stocks will not crash.. as oppossed to watching the stocks crash...no gill netting no comm season. one fish at 36 tagged with a 10 fish seasonal limit.If you don't tag your fish and you get caught big fines.Once you hit ten for the season everthing else is catch and release.Charter guys have the same rules and so does everyone on the boat.. simple and a great way to save the future of fishing for bass..

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Just n time

When we finally make the bass a game fish we will ensure that the stocks will not crash.. as oppossed to watching the stocks crash...no gill netting no comm season. one fish at 36 tagged with a 10 fish seasonal limit.If you don't tag your fish and you get caught big fines.Once you hit ten for the season everthing else is catch and release.Charter guys have the same rules and so does everyone on the boat.. simple and a great way to save the future of fishing for bass..

Good ideas in your last post.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of us who have been asking for this type of stuff for a 1/2 dozen years and no one listens.
My old surf partner and I has been saying 1 fish 36" for at least the last 5 years, no one listens.
CCA of CT has been saying game fish status for 10 years. No one listens.

Wait until they catch 5 bass in a whole season. Then the "smartasses will say, "What happened?"

[striper774]

This 1@36 is for you big cow hunters.How about someone who fishes back rivers(me).There was only one striper taken @36 in the last 5 years.I know there might be bigger in these rivers but big stripers are NOT that common in the rivers i fish.I don't speek just for myself there are alot of guys that fish these rivers and have become use to catching what the river supplies us for fish.Used to be great fishing in these waters but with all the abuse to bait fish,striper killers(murderers)our part of the eco chain is starving.There is a pogey trauler that is allowed permision to do there business in our main river that feeds the smaller rivers that we fish.They take the majority of everyone's catch along with most all the pogeys.Fishing dramaticly takes a dive the day they traul the river.So how do you make it fair for guys that river fish where the stock might not allow you to take even one fish all season.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by striper774

This 1@36 is for you big cow hunters.How about someone who fishes back rivers(me).

To be blunt, I say tough #^&#^&#^&#^&.

1@36 worked in the moratorium years. combined with reduced commercial pressure, the bass would be a lot better off!

I am firmly convinced SF has not come out in favor of 1@36" b/c most of the members can't catch fish at 36".

Last couple of years the fluke limit (20.5" at one point) limited many anglers, especially those that didn't adapt, to not catching many 'keepers'. So what, them's the rules.

If it is better for the bass, suck it up, adapt and change tactics. you'll find some bigger fish

[GregW]

Originally Posted by Just n time

good luck

JnT,
I think if you approached the subject with a more reasonable(not ideal) objective people would listen to you.
Looking at your avatar you certainly didnt catch and release that turkey. Im guessing you legally harvested it in a managed resource environment. And some fishermen will harvest fish. That is a fact. In the 15 years I have been fishing I have kept 1 freshwater fish and 0 saltwater fish. But, I will not be made to feel bad if this year I harvest a fish. I have paid my dues, literally and figuratively.

Furthermore, I ask you this. Do you think that banning the striper cup will accomplish a complete 180 with the stock? I think your intentions are to ensure stock for the future. Have you thought about how to ensure this? You make suggestions on size and quotas. But, suggest no ways of making this even possible other than your thoughts. what actions does degrading fellow fishermen who compete in a perfectly legal tournament accomplish?
Wouldnt a more logical approach be to team with these very fishermen, to help ensure the future stock be a better avenue of appoach?
Why cant we all help eachother? My idea would be to have one form letter that we could all print out, sign and individually send to the politicians who can help make things happen. One post on a forum might not make a difference. However several thousand letters showing up in politicians mailboxes might.
In this letter we could explain:
1)our concern for the resource
2)explain our concern with gill netters and trawlers taking the striped bass and their food source.
3) Explain that we would like to see better enforcement of illegally taken fish
4) Explain that we all now hold a license that cost us money
5) explain that we spend our money in the pursuit of this fish
6) And explain that we would appreciate their support on our behalf
7) and explain that we vote.

Sounds like that might be a better avenue than ranting and raving against fellow fisherman who may only harvest one fish a year, in a derby or not.

[Just n time]

Look you can spin it anyway you want, make me a villian because I harvest turkeys, try and logic me, the bottom line is the striper cup and some other major tournaments that run all season long encourage people to kill breader fish all season long! Turkey season is a month and about 1 out of 30 hunters bag one. Not to many people weigh in 28 inch fish for the striper cup. It targets large fish 30 plus pounds to weigh in for prizes.If there was a major consensus by the big bass clubs to pressure OTW to stop this it may have a cascade effect and cause everyone to look at this a little different. I applaude your conservation habits and hope others follow your example. To ignore the facts about the stocks going south is There are many ways to manage the stocks but killing big bass should not be one of them. Like I said the tide has not turned yet.I fear it will not change until some people have really bad years.OTW should at least alter the way they do the tournament due to all of the science that screams of overfishing.

[Just n time]

Some people will never change their position so be it. I wish all of you a safe and productive season and for god sakes if you fish the surf get a PFD please!!! I almost went under about 10 years ago and promised my wife I would always wear a PFD and have since that day.. PlEASE get a PFD if you don't have one...godspeed..

[Swimmer]

Little snore, bigger snore, godawful wake up the entire dorm SNORE!