He pulled the race card

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Herman Cain: The Attacks On Me Are Racially Motivated | RealClearPolitics

12 #^&#^&#^&#^&ing months to go and he pulled the race card.

WHAT THE #^&#^&#^&#^& DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF HE'S BLACK.

WTF WHO GIVES A FLYING #^&#^&#^&#^&

IF YOU CAN DO THE JOB BETTER THAN THE CURRENT DOOSH I DON'T CARE IF YOUR PURPLE!

[scottw]

sounds like he just answered the question honestly...

Charles Krauthammer: "Mr. Cain, when Clarence Thomas was near to achieving position of high authority, he was hit with a sexual harassment charge. You contending for presidency, the office of highest authority, leading in the polls for the Republican nomination, all of the sudden get hit with a sexual harassment charge. Do you think that race, being a strong black conservative, has anything to do with the fact you've been so charged? And if so, do you have any evidence to support that?"

Herman Cain: "I believe the answer is yes, but we do not have any evidence to support it. But because I am an unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign and achieving some unexpected unconventional results in terms of my -- the poll. We believe that yes, there are some people who are Democrats, liberals who do not want to see me win the nomination. And there could be some people on the right who don't want to see me -- because I'm not the
'establishment candidate.' No evidence."


you are such a "typical white person"

if you'd like "evidence" of his first contention regarding libs/dems...just go to MSNBC where you can view plenty of venom directed toward him simply because he's a black conservative....

his second contention regarding the "establishment" republicans is also true

he should just invite the women to his house for a beer and all would be forgiven...right?...

fortunately, former democrat presidents/candidates have so lowered the bar for behavior and expectations, he'd have to have done something REALLY bad to fall into that kind of company

[PaulS]

My favorite part was when a reporter started asking him about the 2 woman he harassed and he said "what are their names" as if there were more than 2. One of the woman's lawyer said that she was willing to come forward if she would be released from her confidentiality statement - I'll bet anyone $20 that doesn't happen.

How was he "all of the sudden get hit with a sexual harassment charge"? It seems like that happened many years ago when he actually harassed the 2 woman and his employer thought the charges were valid enough to settle 2 cases.

Did anyone lower the bar further than Nixon?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

My favorite part was when a reporter started asking him about the 2 woman he harassed and he said "what are their names" as if there were more than 2. One of the woman's lawyer said that she was willing to come forward if she would be released from her confidentiality statement - I'll bet anyone $20 that doesn't happen.

How was he "all of the sudden get hit with a sexual harassment charge"? It seems like that happened many years ago when he actually harassed the 2 woman and his employer thought the charges were valid enough to settle 2 cases.

Did anyone lower the bar further than Nixon?

who did Nixon sexually harass?...and did Cain harass anyone? sexually or otherwise?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

One of the woman's lawyer said that she was willing to come forward if she would be released from her confidentiality statement - I'll bet anyone $20 that doesn't happen.

Hasn't she already breached her confidentiality statement? Was she lying when she agreed to confidentiality, or is she lying now?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hasn't she already breached her confidentiality statement? Was she lying when she agreed to confidentiality, or is she lying now?

I don't know if the agreement was a 3 way with Cain a signee. But if it was, couldn't you ask the same question about him? And wouldn't the rest. assoc. be subject to the same provision?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I don't know if the agreement was a 3 way with Cain a signee. But if it was, couldn't you ask the same question about him? And wouldn't the rest. assoc. be subject to the same provision?

Since it occurred 8 minutes before your reply, you probably didn't get a chance to see my retraction. As I said, I misread the Politico story as implying that they got their information directly from the women involved. Politico says merely "unnamed" sources, not specifically the women. And if Herman Cain was a signatory to the agreement he may have breached the confidentiallity agreement by saying that he never sexually harassed anybody. So yes, if he signed the agreement, you're right, the same thing can be said about him. Plus, he's already been caught in the lie about not knowing about the settlement. But we don't know if he was directly involved in the settlement. It may have been a suit against the Association and been between the Association and the plaintiffs. The problem is we don't really know the details so conjecture is pointless. Supposedly, once these agreements are made, that is the end of it. If a third party not involved in the negotiation divulged the information to Politico, legally, it can only be considered hearsay and is more sensational rather than responsible journalism. The fact that it is being brought up now, especially if by an uninvolved party, smells more of political destruction than an attempt to bring justice to the agrieved women. They settled their justice years ago, apparently satisfied with the compensation, and would not want to lose it now by breach of contract. But, Cain's public discussion even though it has been a response to charges, if he signed the agreement, opens the door for a judge to disallow the confidentiality statements and the women may tell their stories. Their may be even more damaging information about Cain to come out. There are "reports" that he wasn't all that competent as an executive before. A lot is going to happen to Cain in the next few days and weeks that may undo him. He invited this by running for President. If he, miraculously, survives, he'll be worthy of the office. Doubtful.

[RIJIMMY]

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[scottw]

if Cain were a democrat this would not only... not be a problem, but the MSM would be finding and ripping through the lives of these women characterizing them as lunatic stalkers and the results of what you get "when you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park"

fun to watch all of this

Cain appears to be enjoying record fundraising days

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by scottw

Cain appears to be enjoying record fundraising days

I hear J Edelman made a large contribution.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

who did Nixon sexually harass?...and did Cain harass anyone? sexually or otherwise?

Don't know who Nixon harassed - all as I know is that he set the bar as low as it can go for presidential behavior.

Why would Cain have setteled if he didn't harass anyone? Since you seem to think he didn't harass anyone, I would guess he'll take the lawyer up on the woman's offer to release her from the confidentiality agreement? Do you want to take me up on my bet he won't don't that?

Originally Posted by scottw

fun to watch all of this

I agree, it is funny.

Evidence of prior sexual harassment comes out and repub. attack dogs pull the race card and call it a "high tech. lynching". Candidate tries to deny it happened and gets caught in repeated lies. repub. supporters increase donations to levels unseen for candidate - and your supposing what would have happened if it was a dem.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Don't know who Nixon harassed - all as I know is that he set the bar as low as it can go for presidential behavior.

Why would Cain have setteled if he didn't harass anyone? Since you seem to think he didn't harass anyone, I would guess he'll take the lawyer up on the woman's offer to release her from the confidentiality agreement? Do you want to take me up on my bet he won't don't that?



I agree, it is funny.

Evidence of prior sexual harassment comes out and repub. attack dogs pull the race card and call it a "high tech. lynching". Candidate tries to deny it happened and gets caught in repeated lies. repub. supporters increase donations to levels unseen for candidate - and your supposing what would have happened if it was a dem.

you are very anxious to suppose quite a bit

if Nixon were a democrat...he could have finished out his term....

[PaulS]

I suppose we could be thankful Agnew resigned b/f Nixon.

If I tried to sexually harass someone, they prob. would laugh.

[RIJIMMY]

Paul - my 2 cents from a corporate, not political perspective - If Cain did sexually harass someone, he would have been fired. No organization wants to have that hanging over their head and the corp would be responsible if anyone ever complained again. I've seen it happen a few times when people got a little carried away at Christmas parties. A settlement is a form of "shut up and go away" payment. The employee leaves, gets some $ and promises not to talk about it. Its a quick resolution to a problem. I bet Cain acted inapproriately to some degree but did not harras or use his position to request favors. he would have been fired.

[Duke41]

It is insulting to all races to hear the term "High Tech Lynching" That was a disgraceful time in America. I can't imagine how I would feel if my Grandfather was lynched and I heard this #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& or Clarance Thomas use that term.. Just dreadful.

[PaulS]

RIJ - That is certainly a possibility.

Some years ago the cultural on wall street was such that sexual harassment was accepted. I remember there were stories of one brokerage/investment bank?? that had a room called the "boom boom" room.

I worked for a then big 6 accounting firm and was on a trip to DC - In a cab with one of the top female partners (60 years old) who managed a big office of ours. She was complaining how she had to deal w/a young female assoc. who was complaing b/c another assoc. asked her out. Partner - what did he say. Assoc. - He just asked me out. Partner - what else. Assoc. - nothing. Partner - Then why was it harassment? Assoc - Well he shouldn't be asking out anyone he works with. Partner says to us in cab - I wish people would ask me out.

[Redsoxticket]

Herman stated that all he said to the accuser was that his wife was her height at his chin level.
Look at this photo of Cain and his wife. Notice that she is much shorter then his chin level and likely with dress shoes with heels. I think that Cain actually gestured that his wife was much lower then his chin level. The girl may have thought of it as a sexual advancement such as a indirectly asking for BJ. Also I am willing to bet the girl was white because a black girl would have kicked his bass.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Herman stated that all he said to the accuser was that his wife was her height at his chin level.
Look at this photo of Cain and his wife. Notice that she is much shorter then his chin level and likely with dress shoes with heels. I think that Cain actually gestured that his wife was much lower then his chin level. The girl may have thought of it as a sexual advancement such as a indirectly asking for BJ. Also I am willing to bet the girl was white because a black girl would have kicked his bass.

i think you're right, makes sense now

[detbuch]

Oops. I misread the Politico statement. I took it that Politico had gotten the story from the women who made the settlement. It just says that unnamed sources told Politico about the allegations. Doesn't say it was the women involved.

[fishbones]

Paul, I deal with this stuff at work on occasion. Sexual harrassment is one of those terms that is thrown around pretty loosely these days and employers get scared when they hear it. We've settled cases for low dollar amounts even thought we didn't believe the accuser just because it was cheaper than going to trial. Many cases that are settled are the typical "she said, he said" cases where it's hard to say who's telling the truth. Sometimes both people are telling the truth and it's all about how the other person interpreted it. One of the first things I say to all new managers in the company is that "perception is reality, so always think about what you say and how it can be interpreted".

As a side note, the main reason I went into HR is so I could sexually harrass women and they would have no one to report it to.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Paul, I deal with this stuff at work on occasion. Sexual harrassment is one of those terms that is thrown around pretty loosely these days and employers get scared when they hear it. We've settled cases for low dollar amounts even thought we didn't believe the accuser just because it was cheaper than going to trial. Many cases that are settled are the typical "she said, he said" cases where it's hard to say who's telling the truth. Sometimes both people are telling the truth and it's all about how the other person interpreted it. One of the first things I say to all new managers in the company is that "perception is reality, so always think about what you say and how it can be interpreted".

.

there were some interesting posts earlier in your...I mean, the thread that were interesting which you seem to have ignored...but let's just lable him a sexual harasser...I'd like a lot more evidence...yes

I wonder how you would handle this if you were sitting in front of a potential employer and the other applicant for the position leveled non-specific charges from unnamed people and sources that you were unable to really speak about or elaborate on due to arrangements that were made many years ago....tough position to find youself in, I'd think...and the primary is about seeing who has what it takes to be Pres., so we'll see.....some people get better with adversity and some throw in the towel


also...seems to me that this is not the first time that this has occured, I seem to recall a pol adversely affected by accusations made whose "evidence" was included or part of a sealed divorce settlement/ agreement..., I'll remember who it was....


WOW...this is a really weird coincidence...

Subsequent to his withdrawal from the U.S. Senate race in Illinois, Jack Ryan has characterized what happened to him as a "new low for politics in America".[17] According to Ryan, it was unprecedented in American politics for a newspaper to sue for access to sealed custody documents. Ryan opposed unsealing the divorce records of Senator John Kerry during Kerry's race against George W. Bush in 2004, and Kerry's divorce records remained sealed. Ryan has made the following request: "let me be the only person this has happened to. Don’t ask for Ted Kennedy’s. Don’t ask for John McCain’s. Don’t ask for Joe Lieberman’s. Just stop. This is not a good precedent for American society if you really want the best and brightest to run."

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

there were some interesting posts earlier in your...- What are you 12? I mean, the thread that were interesting which you seem to have ignored..- I saw that post. Of course there are he said she said cases. But now there is a 3rd person (w/no settlement). It seems to me that if it happens 1 time, your carefull not to let it happen a 2nd time, never mind a 3rd. .but let's just lable him a sexual harasser...I'd like a lot more evidence...yes. Once Herman takes one of his 3 accusers up on the offer to release her from the settlement, I'm sure you'll have all the proof you'll need. So again, what do you want, video tape?I wonder how you would handle this if you were sitting in front of a potential employer and the other applicant for the position leveled non-specific charges from unnamed people and sources that you were unable to really speak about or elaborate on due to arrangements that were made many years ago....tough position to find youself in, I'd think...and the primary is about seeing who has what it takes to be Pres., so we'll see.....some people get better with adversity and some throw in the towel

But Herman after trying to sidestep the issue has now finally admitted he remembers the incidents - so there is "no unnamed people and sources". He knows what he did, who accused him and what the settlement was.

Stay tuned for the video tape?

[scottw]

you are still assuming quite a bit...but let's apply your relativist thought that "I think both parties are just as bad" to this situation that has you all worked up...

3 women, allegations and a settlement

unless Herman told one to kiss it.....

bit another on the lip and then raped her and then told her to put some ice on that lip...

fondled another who just happened to be grieving over her recently deceased husband...

I'm pretty sure Paula Jones got a settlement...but don't tell anyone on the left that she was a Clinton victim...

On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, but without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal.

and this is just for starters...with Bill

and the worst of the allegations that we can decipher regarding Herman's behavior is a "gesture".....

so I guess if both parties are "just as bad", we can assume that since this couldn't possibly rise to the very low standards already established by a Democrat in High Esteem...neither party should regard this as a negative for a President of the United States...based on your "thinking"...although, honestly...I think that "one" party would find this, if true and egregious problematic for a candidate on either side, while "the other" party would consider it "resume enhancement" and a rallying cry for a candidate on their side but terribly unacceptable behavior from a candidate on the other side

I have no idea, and nor do you know, what the charges are/were, what the terms of the settlement may have been or even who may or may not have specific knowledge of the settlement or what the restrictive terms of any settlement were...

[PaulS]

Ok, your right. I defended Clinton and Cain hasn't received records amount of donations since it happened. Coulter didn't say "liberals are terrified of strong conservative black men" and Limbuagh didn't say "liberals are smearing Cain with the ugliest racial stereotyped".

We do know that 1 victim was given a years salary.

As I said repeatedly, Cain/NRA should release the woman from the confidentially part of the settlement.

[The Dad Fisherman]

You may want to wait until some evidence is supplied...

We don't want another Missing Muslim Birth Certificate incident on our hands now, Do We?

[PaulS]

Scott, I still think I had the best diarama in 2nd grade. Any chance you can find out if Sue Smith got a better grade than me. That seems up your alley.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Scott, I still think I had the best diarama in 2nd grade. Any chance you can find out if Sue Smith got a better grade than me. That seems up your alley.

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. Saul Alinsky

I have twin second graders...they both spell better than you


Originally Posted by PaulS
In a few weeks, Cain will have faded off the news.

you've been wrong about nearly everything else...let's revisit this one in a few weeks, shall we?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. Saul Alinsky

I have twin second graders...they both spell better than you


Originally Posted by PaulS
In a few weeks, Cain will have faded off the news.

you've been wrong about nearly everything else...let's revisit this one in a few weeks, shall we?

I hope your not as petty at home

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I hope your not as petty at home

you're

don't have to be...they're smart

from the lawyer...CBS News

Bennett told CBS News earlier that Cain did not sign the initial settlement agreement, and that it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it. He repeated that assertion Friday afternoon.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you're

don't have to be...they're smart

from the lawyer...CBS News

Bennett told CBS News earlier that Cain did not sign the initial settlement agreement, and that it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it. He repeated that assertion Friday afternoon.

petty.

Glad ther're smart. Twins must be a handfull.

Latest I heard is that he might even have left the NRA by the time the settlement was signed.