Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

stripermaineiac · 02-13-2012, 12:54 PM

Wow I knew it was gettin bad but 83 plus percent total decline an then another 34 % was just in the last year.An all the nay sayers give those of us that have been calling for a slow down as alarmist. WOW

JohnR · 02-13-2012, 01:50 PM

Link please....
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Mike P · 02-13-2012, 02:12 PM

our Query Parameters:
Query: MRIP CATCH TIME SERIES
Year: 2006 - 2011
Wave: ANNUAL
Species: STRIPED BASS
Geographic Area: MASSACHUSETTS
Fishing Mode: ALL MODES COMBINED
Fishing Area: ALL AREAS COMBINED
Type of Catch: TOTAL CATCH (TYPE A + B1 + B2)
Information: NUMBERS OF FISH

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 8,124,766 10.2
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 5,646,880 12.6
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 4,027,374 11.7
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 2,627,003 10.6
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 2,012,483 11.1
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 1,323,156 14.6

Decrease from 2006 to 2011 is 6,802,000 fish, a decrease of 83.7%
Decrease from 2010 to 2011 was 690,000 fish, a decrease of 34%

fatcow · 02-13-2012, 02:24 PM

How do they get those numbers?

MakoMike · 02-13-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fatcow

How do they get those numbers?

For 2006 to 2010 they pulled them out of their ass!

PRBuzz · 02-13-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 8,124,766 10.2
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 5,646,880 12.6
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 4,027,374 11.7
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 2,627,003 10.6
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 2,012,483 11.1
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 1,323,156 14.6

Pretty graphic, might be termed as a CRASH!

MAKAI · 02-13-2012, 04:55 PM

Can I make golf clubs out my custom RA 's. Be a shame not to use them for something.
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Clammer · 02-13-2012, 05:27 PM

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;

IMO My bass gear is worthless because except for large [only for a couple of more years ]] then when they are wiped out .............. I,m not gonna be around to see a rebound .if there is one this time ................... back when the last time this happened .The Chessie .was still alive & no Micro bacteria ...this time add the MB with the pollution that was allowed to continue // its a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing dead zone in many many areas . that will not substain any form of life .

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afterhours · 02-13-2012, 07:46 PM

[QUOTE=Clammer;920641]&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;

+1

slow eddie · 02-13-2012, 05:20 PM

it wouldn't surprise me if r.i's was right there also. after all was said and done, a slow year by all accounts.

Raven · 02-13-2012, 05:31 PM

c+r is fine

WoodyCT · 02-13-2012, 06:54 PM

Toldyaso
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MikeToole · 02-13-2012, 07:19 PM

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/SASStoredProcess/do?

RI number

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 910,764 14.8
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 779,252 13.2
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 467,564 30.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 470,113 25.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 253,220 18.5
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 157,807 22.0

NH numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 474,136 14.6
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 263,720 22.4
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 82,545 18.2
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 66,030 19.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 57,781 31.0
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 126,126 31.2

Maine numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 4,075,656 20.7
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 1,168,763 19.7
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 524,155 24.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 325,665 17.5
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 211,138 16.7
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 142,607 26.6

Rob Rockcrawler · 02-13-2012, 07:21 PM

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

Chunkah · 02-13-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

The hearings at the State House on the 28th of February include a discussion on a proposed law to declare the striped bass a gamefish (no more commercial fishing) and reducing the recreational catch by 50%. Also on the table (I believe) is the idea of a slot like in Maine.

From another site....

There will be three Bills heard that day:
1) The Conservation Bill which prohibits the commercial sale of wild stripers, has a slot limit component, reduces the recreational harvest by 50% and sets the commercial quota aside for conservation.
2) A health Bill that asks for the testing of all wild striped bass for potentially harmful contaminants and the issuing of warnings if appropriate.
3) A Bill that directs the State to manage the wild striped bass for its greatest economic value/return to the Commonwealth.

Show up and have your voice heard, call your State Rep, or both.

stripermaineiac · 02-13-2012, 07:58 PM

Us old farts never did know what we were talkin about.

WoodyCT · 02-13-2012, 08:28 PM

Here is a graph representing the total catch for MA, RI, NH, AND ME for 2006-2011.

Bottom axis represents 2006-2011.

Similar to the line graph in the link above, but easier to compare the decline year to year.

WoodyCT · 02-13-2012, 08:35 PM

Food for thought,

Here is catch by state for 2006-2011.

WoodyCT · 02-13-2012, 08:48 PM

Granite State is on fire.

Only state with an increase from 06-11

MassBass · 02-13-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Granite State is on fire.

Only state with an increase from 06-11

if only it were true. Maybe some of the Nh boys will chime in.

iamskippy · 02-14-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Food for thought,

Here is catch by state for 2006-2011.

How come ct isnt included?
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Mike P · 02-14-2012, 11:26 AM

This is for all the guys who think the bass are healthy because they saw a miles-long school of them off the Cape this summer. You never judge the health of a fishery by the numbers of them in the center of their migratory range, at the middle of their migration period. There were schools like than back in the 80s, too. You go by the numbers at the end of their range, and the numbers of resident fish along their migratory route.

The tale of the tape is Maine. From more than 4 million, to less than 150,000, all in the space of 5 years.

But hey, I have other interests in my life besides fishing. So catch 'em up, boys, and keep on telling yourselves that NOAA can't count their own toes.

PRBuzz · 02-14-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Here is a graph representing the total catch for MA, RI, NH, AND ME for 2006-2011.

Bottom axis represents 2006-2011.

Similar to the line graph in the link above, but easier to compare the decline year to year.

Another variation keeping the catch by state broken out.

Sea Dangles · 02-14-2012, 09:14 AM

I can't wait to sign up for the Striper Cup.
Who needs a stock assessment.

piemma · 02-14-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Us old farts never did know what we were talkin about.

Amen

piemma · 02-14-2012, 09:53 AM

If history is the benchmark, I'm betting that nothing happens to change the quota, size, commercial take, etc. No one wants to do anything until it gets like 87 & 88 when if you caught 2 schoolies you had a great morning. Then the fisheries management guys will close the season, impose a moratorium and "close the barn door after the horse is stolen."

Now I'm really glad I have taken up sporting clays and competitive pistol shooting.

zimmy · 02-13-2012, 08:34 PM

There have been a ton of fish killed just by all of us on this board over the years. A common theme seemed to be, "anyone who says they would release a 50 is full of it." What percent of big fish caught at the canal in May or June are released or released w/out first being hung by the jaw? It isn't many. We all should have know this was going to happen as far back as the 90's. Once the numbers start dropping, it is pretty much too late. I hate the ASMFC. What b.s.

stripermaineiac · 02-13-2012, 08:45 PM

Well we can start the blame game again but might it be a little bit more productive if we all just went to catch n release for a bit. No more treble hook bait fishin ,bent barbs,better release methods,circle hooks an so on.I really would like to be able to get my grand kids into one someday.Some of us old farts started doin this a few yrs back an were told we were wasting our time as there were loads of fish we all just didn't know how to catch them anymore.Anyone want to join us in trying to have some fish in the future?

MassBass · 02-13-2012, 08:51 PM

this doesn't surprise me one bit. Had to really work 2 season's ago, last was even worst. Dismal numbers to say the least. It bothers to think it'll get even worst.

thefishingfreak · 02-13-2012, 08:52 PM

There was a school of bass 10 miles long off the backside spotted by a few spotter planes. day after day all summer long but I guess the Pratt family probly made that up.
Lets not forget the commercial bass quota only took 17 days to fill
NOAA can't count there own toes
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