Trayvon

[spence]

Interesting no thread on this so far.

-spence

[BigFish]

OK I'll bite! For one it happened a full month before it even made the news??? Odd??? Second.....this case is so diluted with "he said, she said"...Father of shooter making comments that are obviously second or more likely third hand accounts....seems to me the Sanford Police have screwed this case all to hell! Third this is plain and simple just a platform used by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP to fill their spare time and give their vocal cords a workout!!! The only ones who have mentioned a race issue in this case are the biggest racists that walk the planet today.....Sharpton and Jackson! Nobody close to the case mentioned race as a contributing factor....it never became an issue until these racist ass-clowns got up on their pulpit and spoke the words!!!!! Cases where a black man gets shot by a white man always seem to be cases of race......yet when a white man is killed by a black man its always just plain violence...never racial.....why is that???? Comical! Personally.....this is just a circus and I am glad it is near Orlando where it belongs right near DisneyWorld........I also could not care less at this point but if I did and I had an opinion....the only shread of evidence that is credible that I can see is the phone call from Zimmerman stating he is following someone who looks like they "are up to no good" and the Police tell him not to do that.....and he does anyway???? Given the outcome I think Zimmerman provoked the outcome and at the very least should be arrested and slapped with a manslaughter charge. If he was not out there playing security guard.....this probably would never have happened!

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by BigFish

OK I'll bite! For one it happened a full month before it even made the news??? Odd??? Second.....this case is so diluted with "he said, she said"...Father of shooter making comments that are obviously second or more likely third hand accounts....seems to me the Sanford Police have screwed this case all to hell! Third this is plain and simple just a platform used by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP to fill their spare time and give their vocal cords a workout!!! The only ones who have mentioned a race issue in this case are the biggest racists that walk the planet today.....Sharpton and Jackson! Nobody close to the case mentioned race as a contributing factor....it never became an issue until these racist ass-clowns got up on their pulpit and spoke the words!!!!! Cases where a black man gets shot by a white man always seem to be cases of race......yet when a white man is killed by a black man its always just plain violence...never racial.....why is that???? Comical! Personally.....this is just a circus and I am glad it is near Orlando where it belongs right near DisneyWorld........I also could not care less at this point but if I did and I had an opinion....the only shread of evidence that is credible that I can see is the phone call from Zimmerman stating he is following someone who looks like they "are up to no good" and the Police tell him not to do that.....and he does anyway???? Given the outcome I think Zimmerman provoked the outcome and at the very least should be arrested and slapped with a manslaughter charge. If he was not out there playing security guard.....this probably would never have happened!

Hmmmm by all means go on good sir.
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[Sea Dangles]

Media spurred and jaded account of the entire ordeal. Every picture shown is a photo three years old. Security wanna be looking for trouble,he found it.Ghetto martyr for the clowns the black community calls leaders.

[BigFish]

I agree Chris....little do the Martins know its not for them......the "Powers that be" are using their son's death to further their own racist agenda!!

[Raider Ronnie]

I guess gang members & thugs don't wear hoodies & dark glasses !

[JohnR]

I wish Mega Millions was tonight because in a rare lunar alignment I agree with both Larry and Dangles at the same time.

The media has gone beyond their job (not in a good way). They brought light to this where it was needed and this at least deserves another look deeply into the facts to make sure justice was not missed. If Zimmerman and this case did not get the full inspection that it deserves, it certainly should. The Facts. They investigated and helped bring to light a possible injustice. The law should be color blind and the media too. But the media has since joined the ranks of the race baiters like Sharpton and now are doing a disservice to Trayvon.

Guys like Sharpton need events like this to survive and drive the point home of White -v- Black. This is their money gig. Their self licking Ice Cream Cone. Their industry of Racism, Inc.

Unfortunately, we should NOT be hearing from the President on this "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon" comment. He started off so well, stating this was a local matter and that he should not comment, and that he was glad the state of FL was investigating more. And then he pours fuel on the fire. Good election material for firing up people.

What we need is a just the facts mam Joe Friday investigation. No race, no opinion, just the facts.

Sadly we are not as far along as a country as I'd hoped. No Black Americans, no white Americans, just Americans. We ain't there yet.

[Piscator]

didn't realize they still had "neighborhood watches" these days. If this was a black guy shooting a black guy, white guy shooting white guy etc, we wouldnt be talking about it. What bothers me more is that young mother that was killed/raped in Vermont with her 2 year old sitting in the care. That poor kid has no mother and she was trying to help someone. Why isn't that the top news story? Because Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson (2 biggest racists in the history of the world) are media hores and turning this into their gain. It's a shame someone dies and those to clowns stick there face in the camera as much as they can.
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[RIJIMMY]

the reason this topic was not previously brought up here because its not politics. But if you look at responses from politicians, guess which one is trying to make this political, which one is pointing fingers? I'll let PaulS answer.......

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

the reason this topic was not previously brought up here because its not politics. But if you look at responses from politicians, guess which one is trying to make this political, which one is pointing fingers? I'll let PaulS answer.......

Looks to me like Bigfish tried to make it political here. If you mean Sharpton/Jackson (are they politicians?), I could care less what they say. I usually ignore the article or the news cast.

[spence]

All that and nobody has bothered to mention the most basic and important aspect of this case.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

All that and nobody has bothered to mention the most basic and important aspect of this case.

-spence

His Mom looking to make money off it??

[Sea Dangles]

He got suspended from school for 10 days the day of his death.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

He got suspended from school for 10 days the day of his death.

Marijuana possession. Definitely reason to get followed and shot walking back to your girlfriends place. Is this a different discussion if it is an adult black guy who follows an unarmed kid and shoots him? What if Trayvon pulled a weapon and defended himself with it?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Marijuana possession. Definitely reason to get followed and shot walking back to your girlfriends place. Is this a different discussion if it is an adult black guy who follows an unarmed kid and shoots him? What if Trayvon pulled a weapon and defended himself with it?

I dont think anyone is saying he deserved it. I think people are putting out facts that may or may not have relevance. The media and news reports have been pretty one sided. Originally I thought this was a little boy that was killed based on the pics and reaction. Now it seems were dealing with more that originally thought. Let the investigation happen and lets review the evidence.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

All that and nobody has bothered to mention the most basic and important aspect of this case.

-spence

Which is what?

Tragicially, a kid got killed. That's something that needs to be investigated, and lo and behold, the state (and the feds) are investigating. As far as I can tell, the system is working perfectly.

Now, professional agitators, and other liberal media types who view everything through the prism of black versus white, are painting this as a white lynching. Is Zimmerman even white?

Earth to race-baiters...it's not always about race.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Which is what?

Tragicially, a kid got killed. That's something that needs to be investigated, and lo and behold, the state (and the feds) are investigating. As far as I can tell, the system is working perfectly.

Now, professional agitators, and other liberal media types who view everything through the prism of black versus white, are painting this as a white lynching. Is Zimmerman even white?

Earth to race-baiters...it's not always about race.

best ever - Zimmerman was reported by the media as a "white hispanic" Absolutely brilliant!
That would make president O a white african american. Nope, no media bias here!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

All that and nobody has bothered to mention the most basic and important aspect of this case.

-spence

how is that politics? Very few of the basic elements have been released, mostly speculation and opinion. The most important and basic aspect of the case is EVIDENCE. Very little has been released.

The cops that arrived at the scene must have been able to tell if Zimmerman was injured. If Trayvon was involved in any physical conflict, he would have bruises on his hands if he hit Zimm. Whats the autopsy say? DNA? Scene of altercatin?There should be some good evidence any way you look at it but the evidence has not been released.

[RIJIMMY]

this little tidbit aint getting a lot of attention from the media...

“You will recall the incident of the beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer. The beating sparked outrage in the community but there were very few that stepped up to do anything about it. I would presume the inaction was because of the fact that he was homeless not because he was black. Do you know the individual who stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them flyers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8, 2011 at Sanford City Hall?? That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.” – from a letter to Turner Clayton of the Seminole County NAACP written by “a concerned Zimmerman family member”

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

this little tidbit aint getting a lot of attention from the media...

The race part is irrelevant in my opinion and both sides are ignoring what is the bigger point. Unarmed kid followed by unprovoked armed adult and shot. No evidence of threat to life of shooter, beyond a few scrapes. Shooter never warned dead kid "get off or I will kill you." Screams on 911 call at time of shot shown not to be shooter. Give me a break. This shouldn't be about race or politics. It should be about the circumstances and whether it should go into the judiciary.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

. No evidence of threat to life of shooter, beyond a few scrapes. you know this how? CNN? Shooter never warned dead kid "get off or I will kill you." You must have been there, wow, have you called the investigators and let them know?
Screams on 911 call at time of shot shown not to be shooter. Uh, by 2 experts hired by the media, another one said it was inconclusive, this was not part of the investigation, it was from the media
. This shouldn't be about race or politics. It should be about the circumstances and whether it should go into the judiciary. agreed

you keep posting one sided, un proven, evidence

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you keep posting one sided, un proven, evidence

The 911 phone call lasted for a substantial amount of time.. Did you listen to it? Also, I have seen the high detail video. It seems, to use one of your buddies on here favorite terms , common sense, that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage. You right it is unproven but he did shoot and kill someone, who was unarmed. If Martin had busted into Zimmerman's house or gone after Zimmerman with a weapon without the provocation of chasing after him in the dark, it isn't even a story. It is the details that make it a story. I post what is reported about the night, you post a mostly irrelevant letter from a family member; irrelevant from a legal standpoint since the question isn't whether he killed him because of his race, but if he killed him because his own life was imminently threatened.

[Sea Dangles]

The great part about gun laws in Florida is that you DO NOT have to say "get off or I will kill you". You simply squeeze the trigger and deal with the consequences.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The 911 phone call lasted for a substantial amount of time.. Did you listen to it? Also, I have seen the high detail video. It seems, to use one of your buddies on here favorite terms , common sense, that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage. You right it is unproven but he did shoot and kill someone, who was unarmed. If Martin had busted into Zimmerman's house or gone after Zimmerman with a weapon without the provocation of chasing after him in the dark, it isn't even a story. It is the details that make it a story. I post what is reported about the night, you post a mostly irrelevant letter from a family member; irrelevant from a legal standpoint since the question isn't whether he killed him because of his race, but if he killed him because his own life was imminently threatened.

"that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage"

Are you a forensic doctor now? I've seen dead bodies of dead soldiers, and the only visible wound is a tiny dot somewhere where the bullet went in. The reasonableness of imminent threat of death is not based on the intensity of visible wounds. You don't necessarily need to leave a mark on someone in order for them to reasonably assume serious injury is imminent.

This is going to be a tough case investigate. Too many unknowns, and only one person is available to tell his side.

If it's true that Zimmerman was a crusader to hold cops accountable for racially-motivated beatings, it's interesting that his heroics there don't get as much media play as the doctored 911 call teryiong to paint him as a racist...

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The 911 phone call lasted for a substantial amount of time.. Did you listen to it? Also, I have seen the high detail video. It seems, to use one of your buddies on here favorite terms , common sense, that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage. You right it is unproven but he did shoot and kill someone, who was unarmed. If Martin had busted into Zimmerman's house or gone after Zimmerman with a weapon without the provocation of chasing after him in the dark, it isn't even a story. It is the details that make it a story. I post what is reported about the night, you post a mostly irrelevant letter from a family member; irrelevant from a legal standpoint since the question isn't whether he killed him because of his race, but if he killed him because his own life was imminently threatened.

If someone was on top of you and slamming your head into the ground in the dark, and you couldn't see if they had a weapon, would you maybe think your life was being threatened? I guess Trayvon must have been telling Zimmerman not to worry because he was just giving him a beating and not really trying to hurt him. Unless you've been in the same situation, don't try to assume what either person was thinking at the time of the incident. You'd probably poop your pants if a punk kid in a hoodie came at you.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The 911 phone call lasted for a substantial amount of time.. Did you listen to it? Also, I have seen the high detail video. It seems, to use one of your buddies on here favorite terms , common sense, that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage. You right it is unproven but he did shoot and kill someone, who was unarmed. If Martin had busted into Zimmerman's house or gone after Zimmerman with a weapon without the provocation of chasing after him in the dark, it isn't even a story. It is the details that make it a story. I post what is reported about the night, you post a mostly irrelevant letter from a family member; irrelevant from a legal standpoint since the question isn't whether he killed him because of his race, but if he killed him because his own life was imminently threatened.

My only point in posting the letter was to show a side (potentially, I have no idea if its true) the media is not showing of Z. I have stated all along that we need to know the evidence before passing judgement. I have no clue what happened. If it was purely up to me, Z would be behind bars. But thats my heart, not my head. We dont know the details but I have to believe that there should be forensic evidence eaither way
There is a contant theme among liberals to immediatly doubt the police. I immediately believe the police. I was disqualified from a jury 2 yrs ago for a murder trial. I was asked if I would tend to believe the testimony of a police officer over a normal citizen and I said yes. I think on average, most cops are good people trying to do good things. I think most citizens suck

[RIJIMMY]

I did a lot of crap in HS but if I got suspended my dad would have broken every bone in my body.

[RIJIMMY]

google his tweets Zimbo

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by zimmy

But, if I am going after a "punk kid in a hoodie" (not sure where you come off calling him that) with my 9mm on me, I better not be the kind of person who poops themselves if the kid comes back at me. That points to one of the cardinal rules of gun ownership.

Originally Posted by fishbones

There you go assuming again. There is nothing to show that Zimmerman went after Martin initially, just speculation

Originally Posted by fishbones

It's ridiculous that you can conclude that Zimmerman attacked Martin just because he was following him.

So I say he went after him, which he did. You say there was nothing to show that he went after him initially. Then you say I conclude he attacked him because he was following him? I never concluded that he attacked him. I said if you are armed and going to go after (ie follow) someone and you have a weapon, you better not be the pant crapping type. I''m not sure if you are intentionally twisting it or not.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by zimmy

So I say he went after him, which he did. You say there was nothing to show that he went after him initially. Then you say I conclude he attacked him because he was following him? I never concluded that he attacked him. I said if you are armed and going to go after (ie follow) someone and you have a weapon, you better not be the pant crapping type. I''m not sure if you are intentionally twisting it or not.

Ok, so I thought you meant "went after" as in atacking or jumping, or whatever. I didn't think you meant "following". In any case, neither you nor I were there to know what really happened. Martin is a punk and Zimmerman has an itchy trigger finger.