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Old 09-21-2012, 08:29 AM   #1
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Obama blames GOP for his 'biggest failure'

Obama Blames GOP for Inability to Pass Immigration Reform - Yahoo! News

OK. So a spanish TV station reminds Obama that he promised immigration reform in his first year.

First, Obama says that what he promised was to "work as hard as I can" to pass immigration reform. Problem is, that's not what he said...here's what he said..."what I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill "

Then, he said he failed on that promise because he was too busy fixing the economy (because as we all know, it's physically impossible for an executive to have 2 projects going simultaneously).

Then, he blamed the GOP. Actually, he blamed himself for being naive enough to think that the GOP would work with him.

Boy, I'm hear to tell you folks...we have come a LONG WAY from "the buck stops with me".

Did we really elect this ineffective, lying, race-baiting Bolshevik nitwit to be President? Did we really, really do that?
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:52 AM   #2
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Didn't he have both the house & senate majority 1st 2 years in office ?
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:14 AM   #3
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Didn't he have both the house & senate majority 1st 2 years in office ?
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He had the house and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for quite a while.

But Ronnie, you aren't supposed to point out things that make it look like he bears any responsibility for failures or broken promises. You must, therefore, be a racist.
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As was established in another thread: 4 months with filibuster proof majority.

No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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As was established in another thread: 4 months with filibuster proof majority.
(1) Scott Brown was sworn in in February 2010. Obama took office in January 2009. How is that 4 months? Looks more like 13 months to me.

(2) Scott Brown is no hard-line conservative. His presence in teh Senate was not the end of Obama's chances of doing anything

(3) not everything was fillibustered by the GOP. Other presidents have managed to pass important legislation without having a fillibuster-proof majority of the Senate. You just have to know how to work with people who aren't exactly like you, and Obama hasn't figured that out yet.
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You just have to know how to work with people who aren't exactly like you, and Obama hasn't figured that out yet.
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He made a campaign promise when the economy was cranking and everything looked great. Then, when the economy was in a shambles he *SHOCK* shifted priorities to deal with bigger issues???

Seriously you're not suggesting he really did this do you?

If so I'd wager Michelle had something to do with it. She hates America and this would be just the thing to set the advancement of liberty back.

Babies.

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If so I'd wager Michelle had something to do with it. She hates America and this would be just the thing to set the advancement of liberty back.

Babies.

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she appears to be suffering under her own delusion, she actually said this last Monday....maybe she was practicing a comedy routine for Letterman or something


“The economy was losing 800,000 jobs every month, and a lot folks wondered whether we were headed for another great depression. Now this is what Barack faced on day one as president. That’s what awaited him, but instead of pointing fingers and placing blame, Barack got to work , because he was thinking about folks like my dad, like his grandmother,” the first lady said in a speech in Gainesville, Florida.
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You are something else !
" made campaign promise when the economy was cranking "
He's spent 4 #^&#^&#^&#^&ing years blaming Bush for everything imaginable !
"shifted priorities"
What #^&#^&#^&#^&ing priorities, turning this country into a socialist country, giving millions & billions to any 3rd world country he could get away with doing so ?
He's done absolutely nothing to get this economy moving and turned us into a welfare nation !

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He made a campaign promise when the economy was cranking and everything looked great. Then, when the economy was in a shambles he *SHOCK* shifted priorities to deal with bigger issues???

Seriously you're not suggesting he really did this do you?

If so I'd wager Michelle had something to do with it. She hates America and this would be just the thing to set the advancement of liberty back.

Babies.

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Old 09-21-2012, 06:12 PM   #10
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He made a campaign promise when the economy was cranking and everything looked great. Then, when the economy was in a shambles he *SHOCK* shifted priorities to deal with bigger issues???

Seriously you're not suggesting he really did this do you?

If so I'd wager Michelle had something to do with it. She hates America and this would be just the thing to set the advancement of liberty back.

Babies.

-spence
Spence, if Obama calls this his "biggest failure', then clearly this was not a superflous issue to him. Therefore, if he had 13 months to do whatever he wanted, I think an effective executive could have passed both the Stimulus bill as well as immigration reform.

FDR was dealing with the Nazis and the Japs and the Great Depression, all at the same time...maybe Obama could have found a way to pass 2 significant bills in 13 months. However, since he authored zero significant bills as a US Senator for 3 years, perhaps the rigor of passing one bill in 13 months as POTUS was all he could handle at one time. One bill in 13 months was a lot more than he did in 3 years as a US Senator.

Spence, you're making it too easy...
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He made a campaign promise when the economy was cranking and everything looked great. Then, when the economy was in a shambles he *SHOCK* shifted priorities to deal with bigger issues???

Seriously you're not suggesting he really did this do you?

If so I'd wager Michelle had something to do with it. She hates America and this would be just the thing to set the advancement of liberty back.

Babies.

-spence
Economy was not cranking when he took office..

He only cared about Obama care...where the hell UUUUU coming from?
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Economy was not cranking when he took office..

He only cared about Obama care...where the hell UUUUU coming from?
Absolutely, the economy was put on the shelf the first two yeras as he was working on his legacy, Obamacare.

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Spence says Obama was too focused on the economy to do anything with immigration reform.

Hmmm.

George Bush...

(1) put a massive counter-terror infrastructure in place, which I'd argue was way more effective at dealing with terrorists than Obama has been with dealing with the economy, and ALSO

(2) implemented a massive AIDS program in Africa, which is credited by Stanford University researchers with saving morethan one million lives.

So, Spence. If Bush (the idiot) could walk and chew gum at the same time, why can't Obama (the genius) multi-task?

You have fun with that one, Spence...
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Spence...do not blame the GOP....remember that Dems controled the senate and house in 2009...the hespanics just took him to task on that....promises promises
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:56 PM   #15
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Let's be very clear and honest here...Obama says not passing immigration reform is his biggest failure. And according to him, 100% of the blame lies with others, namely the Republicans.

Obama had 13 months where it was not possible for the GOP to prevent him from doing anything. That is irrefutable fact. Yet he bears no responsibility for failing to deliver a promise he made on immigration.

A question for Zimmy, Spence, Paul S...isn't that severly lacking in honesty?

I detest Obama. I buried 2 kids under my command who willingly sacrificed for this country. Their sacrifice certainly doesn't demand that we elect a Republican. But their sacrifice demands that we elect someone who has the shred of honesty required to say "I messed up. I screwed the pooch on this one."

We need to raise the bar. Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do. Obama can only do the right thing when it's self-serving.

Obama told an Hispanic reporter in 2008, that he "guaranteed" there would be immigration reform in his first year. When that same reporter (from the Univision network) reminded Obama of the broken promise, Obama's first response was to lie. Obama's first response was that he only promised to "try" to get something done. wrong. Obama used the word "guarantee". Obama's second response was to blame the GOP, despite the fact that the Democrats controlled the legislature.

First, he lies. Second, he deflects blame.

We need to raise the bar. We have serious threats we are facing.

PaulS, Zimmy, Spence...please tell me where I'm wrong on this?

I had a few beers. Transmission ends.
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:12 AM   #16
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A question for Zimmy, Spence, Paul S...isn't that severly lacking in honesty?

PaulS, Zimmy, Spence...please tell me where I'm wrong on this?

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"No matter how great the crimes progressives commit, no matter how terrible the futures they labor to create, no matter how devastating the human catastrophes they leave behind, the world outside the faith seems ready to forgive their “mistakes” and to grant them the grace of “good intentions.”

As Jamie Glazov, a student of the left, has observed in an article about the middle-class defenders of recently captured Seventies terrorist Kathy Soliah: “if you can successfully camouflage your own pathology and hatred with a concern for the ‘poor’ and the ‘downtrodden,’ then there will always be a ‘progressive’ milieu to support and defend you.”

If you believed that others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as part of a “vanguard.” You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the same horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the army of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a redeemer. To feel anointed. To be among the elect. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism of all.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in the process. That is why they don’t care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than any injustice they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their “mistakes,” why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth.

Conservatives who think progressives are misinformed idealists will always be blind-sided by the sheer malice of the left -- by the cynicism of those who pride themselves on their principles; by the viciousness of those who champion sensitivity; by the intolerance of those who call themselves liberal; and by the ruthless disregard for the well-being of the poor on the part of those who preen themselves as their champions.

Conservatives are surprised because they see progressives as merely misguided, when they are, in fact, morally – and ontologically -- misdirected. They are the messianists of a false religious faith. Since the redeemed future that justifies their existence and rationalizes their hypocrisy can never be realized, what really motivates progressives is a modern idolatry: their limitless passion for the continuance of Them."




Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.

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Old 09-23-2012, 06:13 AM   #17
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Great post Scott. That may be your magnum opus.

We're in serious trouble. And it's all preventable.
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Here is Spence's take on this issue...

Obama was only speaking to Univision, so apparently Spence doesn't hold him accountable for promises made to the brown people...

Obama couldn't pass immigration reform, because he was focused on the economy. And as we all know, the constitution prevents the President from dealing with more than one thing at a time.

Obama wanted to pass immigration reform, but the GOP prevented it. No immigration bill was ever voted down by the GOP, so I'm not clear on exactly how the GOP prevented anything. Maybe the Koch brothers kidnapped Obama's kids, and threatened to hurt them if the Dems proposed immigration reform.

Spence, the simple truth is that Obama flat-out broke a promise, and then he lied through his teeth about why he failed to keep that promise. You cannot win this argument, but don't you at least have the sense to realize you are getting pulverized here?

Obama broke a promise, then shifted the blame to other when called on it. How is that "hope and change" we were promised?
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You guys actually spent three days arguing about whether a politician lied.....

Thats like arguing about whether a prostitute charges for sex...

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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You guys actually spent three days arguing about whether a politician lied.....

Thats like arguing about whether a prostitute charges for sex...
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Why.....they cheaper down on the south shore.

Maybe they have a better dental plan up here.....

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I would not say this was his biggest failure. If he thinks it is he is seriously misguided or lying.
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What's funny is that if you read the transcript it's clear President Obama actually meant it as a joke

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What's funny is that if you read the transcript it's clear President Obama actually meant it as a joke

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You have a very keen insight into his mind then. I read the transcript, and saw the video, and saw no indication he was joking. And he was not kidding when he put 100% of the blame on the GOP's shoulders, rather than on his own inability to do 2 things simultaneously.

Do you actually believe these things as you type them?
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Do you actually believe these things as you type them?
I thought I e'splained this to you
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You have a very keen insight into his mind then. I read the transcript, and saw the video, and saw no indication he was joking. And he was not kidding when he put 100% of the blame on the GOP's shoulders, rather than on his own inability to do 2 things simultaneously.
Let's go to the tape.

This is after President Obama has been hammered in the interview about not getting immigration reform passed...

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Something different, something personal. I don’t know what you’re reading before going to sleep right now. I don’t know if you have already read the book “No Easy Day,” in which a Navy SEAL tells the story of how Osama bin Laden was killed. According to many, his death was your biggest achievement. What is your biggest failure?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, Jorge, as you remind me, my biggest failure so far is we haven’t gotten comprehensive immigration reform done. (Laughter.) So we’re going to be continuing to work on that. (Applause.) But it’s not for lack of trying or desire, and I’m confident we’re going to accomplish that.
I applaud you for recognizing my keen insight, but to be honest, had you actually read the transcript (as you said you did) you would have known this for yourself.

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they were laughing at him, not with him

"By the end of the program, Obama had been hammered into submission on his immigration reform promise. Asked what he considers his biggest failure, he turned to Ramos. "Jorge, as you remind me, my biggest failure so far is we haven't gotten comprehensive immigration reform done yet," he said to laughter from the audience, adding it wasn't for lack of trying."


Obama: Immigration Reform Inaction Was 'Biggest Failure'

"I don't want it to get lost in translation," Ramos said, switching briefly into English in an otherwise Spanish-language interview. "You promised. And a promise is a promise. With all due respect, you didn't keep that promise."

Obama replied that he takes responsibility for that failure, but denied he made such a promise -- a claim he also made recently to Spanish news agency Agencia Efe.

Obama has been accused of using immigration for politics, particularly after he announced his deferred action policy so close to the election. He dismissed that idea.





are you noticing a pattern here?????
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