new groundfish regs - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

niko · 04-21-2014, 07:55 PM

looks like cod is going to close for the year on sept 1st with the size going to 21 inches and the same bag limit. and haddock is going from no bag to a 3 fish limit and is also closing sept 1st. cod stocks are screwed and I bet we see a closure at some point

MAKAI · 04-21-2014, 08:05 PM

Shame...
We won't live long enough to see a come back.
If ever.
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Piscator · 04-21-2014, 08:14 PM

Thank the draggers and fisheries mismanagement...
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Raider Ronnie · 04-21-2014, 08:21 PM

Paul.
I've been reading you're looking for a new (bigger) boat.
Here you go, you want to catch ground fish......

big jay · 04-21-2014, 08:24 PM

This is ridiculous.
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niko · 04-21-2014, 09:16 PM

we will all be fishing for jellyfish someday. damn shame and we get stuck with the bag of sh*t. after hammering a species for a few hundred years I fear the only thing that will save them is a closure (and I'm not even sure that will work at this point) - no one wants to hear it but it's the truth. and that dragger would make a nice artificial reef ron.

Piscator · 04-21-2014, 09:18 PM

Dog Fish Charters
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BasicPatrick · 04-22-2014, 12:13 AM

IMPORTANT MSBA GOV'T AFFAIRS UDATE ON COD & HADDOCK: Monday the National Marine Fishery Service announced the recreational groundfish regulations for the new fishing year which begins next week on May 1 2014. Poor stock asessments made the recreational share of the quota low and adding to the situation is that the MRIP data shows the recreational catch was way over our 30% share of both Gulf of Maine Cod & Gulf of Maine Haddock. Although recreational leaders are questioning the data, the regulations have now been announced.

I have tried to put this as simple as possible...BEGINNING MAY 1 2014

GULF OF MAINE COD
21 inch minimum size
9 Cod per person bag limit
Season Opens May 1 2014 through August 30 2014
Season Closed Sept 1 2014 through April 14 2-15

GULF OF MAINE HADDOCK
21 inch minimum size
3 Haddock per person bag limit
Season Opens May 1 2014 through August 30 21024
Seaon Closed September 1 2014 through November 30 2014
Season Opens December 1 2014 through February 28 2015

big jay · 04-22-2014, 04:36 AM

Those assessment numbers are f$&@)*d.
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niko · 04-22-2014, 05:13 AM

we just have too many guys commercial fishing and we are just too good at catching fish nowadays. we wipe out one species and move on to the next. nevermind the issue of bycatch. let a boat catch xxx amount of pounds of fish, if you catch your intended target species great - you make money and thrive, if not you eat up your quota in trash fish and make no money and go out of business. I know it's fairytale land. waste and a very small group of people ruining the oceans just pisses me off to no end

buckman · 04-22-2014, 07:00 AM

This is insane and it's going to really hurt charter boats .
I heard the comment ,too many Haddock were caught last year and then I heard the comment, it's not going to hurt charterboats because they only averaged one haddock per person last year.
Makes perfect sense now that it's explained so clearly .
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niko · 04-22-2014, 07:12 AM

Haddock numbers seem to have no ryhme or reason to them. This will put a lot of the older guys in downeasts out of business.
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MakoMike · 04-22-2014, 07:19 AM

I understand why the crack down on haddock, we overfished our sub ACL by a lot last year. what I don't understand is why the sub ACL is so low, the haddock population is booming and the Canadians are catching the hell out of them.

MAKAI · 04-22-2014, 10:50 AM

The predator ( us ) is evolving far faster than the prey ( fish ).
They don't stand a chance.
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keeperreaper · 04-22-2014, 03:50 PM

Limiting the recs isn't the answer.

jasonsnova · 04-22-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keeperreaper

Limiting the recs isn't the answer.

Exactly! Draggers gotta go!
This is total bull$hit!
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Raider Ronnie · 04-23-2014, 12:39 PM

The best charter boat in the area couldn't do the amount of damage in a whole year that a dragger does in 1/2 a day.

QUOTE=jasonsnova;1040008]Exactly! Draggers gotta go!
This is total bull$hit!
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jasonsnova · 04-23-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

The best charter boat in the area couldn't do the amount of damage in a whole year that a dragger does in 1/2 a day.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE=jasonsnova;1040008]Exactly! Draggers gotta go!
This is total bull$hit!
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MakoMike · 04-24-2014, 07:04 AM

But the draggers did not exceed their TAC while the recreational anglers did.

JohnR · 04-24-2014, 07:13 AM

Its OK, the environmentalist federal legislators (ya know, the ones that protect the environment, except when it comes to dying fishing jobs in a not yet dead fishing industry, and want clean energy, except when they can see if from the beach house) will fix it.

We're screwed. So are the fish.

Piscator · 04-24-2014, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

But the draggers did not exceed their TAC while the recreational anglers did.

The draggers/sector boats raped Stellwagen Bank. They were let into areas they were previously restricted from. This while thing is all because of Fisheries mismanagement....
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big jay · 04-24-2014, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

But the draggers did not exceed their TAC while the recreational anglers did.

The rec TAC was set at a ridiculously low #.

As NOAA stated in their FAQ's - rec anglers caught or encountered less than 1 haddock per person per day.

- less than 1 fish gets us shut down?

Btw Mike - I'm not coming after you here, I know you do a great job of explaining what the rules are and how they work to everyone.
I'm just b*tching about the rules themselves...
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MakoMike · 04-25-2014, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

The rec TAC was set at a ridiculously low #.

As NOAA stated in their FAQ's - rec anglers caught or encountered less than 1 haddock per person per day.

- less than 1 fish gets us shut down?

Btw Mike - I'm not coming after you here, I know you do a great job of explaining what the rules are and how they work to everyone.
I'm just b*tching about the rules themselves...
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For haddock I agree, the population is at a 50 year high, so I don't understand why our sub ACL was set so low. Cod, not so much.

jasonsnova · 04-25-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

For haddock I agree, the population is at a 50 year high, so I don't understand why our sub ACL was set so low. Cod, not so much.

right on.
last 2 years on Jefferies we have caught more haddock than ever! previous to that it was 50 cod to 1 haddock, but then we would get big cod, now we get a lot of haddock(big too) and some small cod.
these new regs are screwed!
another note cod went down hill hard as soon as they started letting the draggers work all winter and hasn't been the same since. I belive the haddock are hold up in deeper water in the winter thus being the reason there stocks weren't destroyed like cod.....but what do I know I'm just a rec guy telling it like I see it

MAKAI · 04-24-2014, 10:04 AM

The rec take in this fishery has got to be a non factor compared to the evil empire of the net corporations.
Gnats to lions.
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Piscator · 04-24-2014, 10:50 AM

Anyone know if the suppliers (boat manufacturers, rod reel manufacturers, retail big boxes like Bass Pro, #^&#^&#^&#^&s, Melton's etc) get involved in this and lobby against it? It's in their best interest to do so and I hope they are. The small guys will go first and then it will impact the big dogs...
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Piscator · 04-24-2014, 01:59 PM

Update from the State...looks like they will follow the Feds...I wish they made it more confusing for us all...

On April 21, NOAA Fisheries announced revisions to the federal rules for recreationally caught Gulf of Maine (GOM) cod and haddock to take effect on May 1, 2014. For GOM cod, the size limit is increased by two inches and the closed season is lengthened by two months. For GOM haddock, a daily bag limit is implemented and the closed season is lengthened by four months. Refer to NOAA Fisheries’ press release for full details: http://www.nero.noaa.gov/nr/2014/Apr...ecspecsphl.pdf

Due to the late timing of NOAA Fisheries’ announcement, the federal and state rules for recreationally caught GOM cod and haddock will have significant differences beginning May 1 and until further notice of any changes to the state regulations. The Division of Marine Fisheries and the Marine Fisheries Advisory Commission will discuss emergency action to amend the state regulations for recreationally caught GOM cod and haddock at a May 8, 2014 business meeting. Any amendments to the state regulations will be announced in a subsequent Advisory.

This Advisory seeks to clarify which rules recreational anglers are required to follow based on the type of permit held and/or fishing location.

· State Rules (see below) apply to recreational anglers fishing in state waters (0 to 3 miles from shore), provided they are not fishing from a federally-permitted vessel.

· Federal Rules apply to recreational anglers fishing in federal waters (3 to 200 miles from shore), as well as recreational anglers fishing from federally-permitted vessels in state or federal waters.

MakoMike · 04-25-2014, 06:33 AM

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Anyone know if the suppliers (boat manufacturers, rod reel manufacturers, retail big boxes like Bass Pro, #^&#^&#^&#^&s, Melton's etc) get involved in this and lobby against it? It's in their best interest to do so and I hope they are. The small guys will go first and then it will impact the big dogs...
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I don't think they do. I've never seen any comments from them at council meetings or at advisors meetings.

buckman · 04-25-2014, 09:13 AM

The dog fish decimate the young cod. Another huge factor and less we forget just a short while ago these idiots had the dogs protected .
They are wrong more often then a noaa forecast
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PRBuzz · 04-25-2014, 09:49 AM

What's the NOAA forecast for the weekend? Hoping they are wrong....