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10-29-2014, 07:13 PM
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Location: Libtardia
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1 @ 28" has been passed.
I'm ok with this. I'd prefer one at 36 but this is better than nothing. Also it will be easier for enforcement as most everyone knows 28" is the magic number. Change it to 36" and in sure a lot if 28" fish would be taken by accident.
Well that's my ten cents.
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10-29-2014, 07:18 PM
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Wait so you are saying is that in what state we can only keep 1 fish that messures exactly 28"?
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10-29-2014, 07:26 PM
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#3
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Originally Posted by iamskippy
Wait so you are saying is that in what state we can only keep 1 fish that messures exactly 28"?
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Well .. An altered state if you like
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10-29-2014, 07:21 PM
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BuzzLuck
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Yup Skip no 28 1/8" fish! 
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10-29-2014, 07:24 PM
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#5
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Originally Posted by PRBuzz
Yup Skip no 28 1/8" fish!
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What state? And thats bull#^&#^&#^&#^& bunch of cry babies
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10-29-2014, 07:28 PM
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#6
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Location: Pembroke
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1@28 (or greater). Including rec and party boats. Individual states could vote for something like 1@32, but conservational equivalent to a 25% in harvest. Is that correct?
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10-29-2014, 07:29 PM
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#7
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Coast wide Skip.
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10-29-2014, 07:29 PM
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27 and 7/8's must be released .... makes sense
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10-29-2014, 07:30 PM
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"conservation equivalency"
That could be the stickler as it enables things to be tweaked by each state I think.
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10-29-2014, 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
"conservation equivalency"
That could be the stickler as it enables things to be tweaked by each state I think.
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But limited to 1@?, as a minimum? If a state chooses to be more conservative they can vote the 1@32 or something, but 1 fish per day. This is excellent.
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Does your incessant whining make you feel better? How about you just shut the hell up and suck it up? It's a fishing forum , so please just stop.
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10-29-2014, 08:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
"conservation equivalency"
That could be the stickler as it enables things to be tweaked by each state I think.
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I'm concerned about this as well.
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10-29-2014, 07:43 PM
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"Fishbucket"
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Works for me
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10-29-2014, 07:44 PM
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Maybe i am miss understanding the original post......
Is its 28" or greater or 28" only.
I have no problem with 1 per day as long as it is a slot or a greater than.
We all know i only catch shorts anyways.
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10-30-2014, 03:03 AM
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Very Grumpy bay man
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamskippy
Maybe i am miss understanding the original post......
Is its 28" or greater or 28" only.
I have no problem with 1 per day as long as it is a slot or a greater than.
We all know i only catch shorts anyways.
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Skippy, what the hell are you smokin????? |
No boat, back in the suds.  
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10-30-2014, 03:09 AM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
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This is GREAT. I also would have preferred 1 @ 32" but Clammer (Mike) makes a good point about the shore guys who just want a dinner fish.
The 25% reduction for the comms also works for me as long as the Fkers in Maryland and Delaware go along with the whole program.
So, maybe there is a little light at the end of the tunnel. I'll not get excited until I start seeing documented evidence of a turn around as we did starting around 1998...2000.
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No boat, back in the suds.
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10-30-2014, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by piemma
Skippy, what the hell are you smokin?????
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Nothing thats how little faith i have in stupid laws and the people that make them and the people that want them......
I went with they did something stupid as always..... example the seat belt law.
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10-29-2014, 07:52 PM
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#17
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One per day at 28 or bigger! Knucklehead.
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10-29-2014, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
One per day at 28 or bigger! Knucklehead.
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Well thats diff and it wasnt said, my luck i would be the only cracker to get arrested for a 28 1/8" fish as my PB
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10-29-2014, 07:55 PM
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About damn time the recs took the hit too.
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10-29-2014, 08:06 PM
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Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Conservational equivalency just means that whatever measure States introduce have to have technical committee sign-off that their alternative to 1@28 produces the same 25% reduction in harvest totals that the 1@28 overarching motion was introduced to create.
Hence the gray area it introduces
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10-30-2014, 07:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Conservational equivalency just means that whatever measure States introduce have to have technical committee sign-off that their alternative to 1@28 produces the same 25% reduction in harvest totals that the 1@28 overarching motion was introduced to create.
Hence the gray area it introduces
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I agree - yesterday was the first step in the battle. This gray area is something that may very well be the next battle in various states. You can bet the for-hire industry is trying to figure out a conservation equivalency to enable a two fish bag. It could be an increase in size or a shorter season. Keep an eye out for this work around and be ready to battle again. |
DZ
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10-30-2014, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
About damn time the recs took the hit too.
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The Recs have been pushing for a hit for a while. The Mass recs pushed Mass DW to not increase from 1 to 2 fish and the 25% increase in comm quotas back in 2006.
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Originally Posted by BasicPatrick
A lot of motions were passed today...In my opinion the most important two were...
1) They passed a motion cutting Amendment 6 coastwise commercial quotas by 25%
2) They passed the motion for coastwise recreational catch selecting Option B1 (1@ 28") and setting the conservation equivalency at 25%
Yes, just as is currently allowed, states can submit an alternative measure that meets Technical Committee approval based on a minimum 25% reduction in landings. I am already hearing that RI will consider a conservation equivalency for the for hire fleet...based purely on what I see in the existing analysis Instead of 1 @ 28" (the document credits this as a 31% reduction) A state could choose 2 fish over 33" (the document credits this a 29% reduction).
Bottom line is we will all have to be vigilant in our individual states and participate when local measures are developed
Bottom line is we WON the 1 year reduction, we won a reduction of at least 25% across the board. THIS WAS ALARGE WIN
BIG KUDOS to all that shoed up today including: Craig from Van Stall, Toby from The Fisherman, Jimmy Fee from On The Water, Willy Young and crew from the NY Alliance, Steve Medeiros & crew from RISAA, the guys from MD, the crew from ME that brought and distributed the Save Our Stripers hats, the guy from the 1@ 32 FB page who brought the signs and the crew from MSBA...TOGETHER WE DID IT
They Listened...Yes They DID
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Good writeup - a step forward but not done.
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I thought there was an issue that the comms. didn't come close to hitting the quota in the base line period so while their quota got reduced 25%, they can actually land like 6% more fish. Hope that makes sense.
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Yes - that is concerning
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Originally Posted by DZ
I agree - yesterday was the first step in the battle. This gray area is something that may very well be the next battle in various states. You can bet the for-hire industry is trying to figure out a conservation equivalency to enable a two fish bag. It could be an increase in size or a shorter season. Keep an eye out for this work around and be ready to battle again.
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10-30-2014, 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DZ
I agree - yesterday was the first step in the battle. This gray area is something that may very well be the next battle in various states. You can bet the for-hire industry is trying to figure out a conservation equivalency to enable a two fish bag. It could be an increase in size or a shorter season. Keep an eye out for this work around and be ready to battle again.
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What's wrong with that? As long as its a 25% reduction, why should we care exactly how it is achieved? |
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10-30-2014, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MakoMike
What's wrong with that? As long as its a 25% reduction, why should we care exactly how it is achieved?
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Whats wrong with that is that the large breeders really should be protected. 2 @33" will do nothing toward dealing with the obscene charter slaughters up and down the coast. In most cases, 2 @33 is what most of them are bringing to the dock now. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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10-30-2014, 11:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Whats wrong with that is that the large breeders really should be protected. 2 @33" will do nothing toward dealing with the obscene charter slaughters up and down the coast. In most cases, 2 @33 is what most of them are bringing to the dock now.
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I couldn't agree more
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10-30-2014, 11:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Whats wrong with that is that the large breeders really should be protected. 2 @33" will do nothing toward dealing with the obscene charter slaughters up and down the coast. In most cases, 2 @33 is what most of them are bringing to the dock now.
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That's why a slot with a relatively small bass coupled with a trophy bass over 45", for example, would provide much better protection of the breeding stock. |
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10-30-2014, 01:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Whats wrong with that is that the large breeders really should be protected. 2 @33" will do nothing toward dealing with the obscene charter slaughters up and down the coast. In most cases, 2 @33 is what most of them are bringing to the dock now.
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Spot on - all the charter boats slamming big fish at the SW corner will happily abide by a 2 @ 33 = business as usual |
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10-30-2014, 05:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Whats wrong with that is that the large breeders really should be protected. 2 @33" will do nothing toward dealing with the obscene charter slaughters up and down the coast. In most cases, 2 @33 is what most of them are bringing to the dock now.
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Obscene is in the eye of the beholder. Most of the guy fishing on those charters only do so once a year, so effectively they would be fishing under a two fish a year limit, or don't you think the average charter fisherman should have to the same rights as a shore or private boat fisherman? |
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10-29-2014, 08:10 PM
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This is good...to clarify, this is a 1 year rule or is it 3 years or indefinitely? I had to get off the call before the vote.
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10-29-2014, 08:12 PM
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I'm curious if there was any reduction in commercial Harvest limits.
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