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Old 02-04-2015, 07:03 AM   #1
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This is "Striped-Bass.com"

I guess rather...I'm going to encourage those concerned to do what they think is right...time is short and there is certainly a sense that this is all a forgone conclusion....and it will be if.....

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Old 02-04-2015, 08:00 AM   #2
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I am confused about this post can you please clarify ?
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:14 AM   #3
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sorry about that...I'm just encouraging the member here to be heard as this is "S-B.com"...I will add the relevant RI folks that need to be contacted prior to the 16th today.....it's sad that this is such an inflammatory subject when we all share a common desire to see the bass do well...unfortunately the way things get done is not always...not sure of the word....savory?
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Fisheries meeting on Striped-Bass regs?

Where is the link for a February 16th meeting?

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Old 02-04-2015, 08:24 AM   #5
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Fisheries meeting on Striped-Bass regs?

Where is the link for a February 16th meeting?

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I'll have it all up today John
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:19 AM   #6
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Ahh ok i follow now, i thought you were implying that "this is strip bass .com " so the members here should be more active. I follow now thanks for the clarification.

To put my demented twist on it, almost feels like there is no voice that makes a diff as the fat cats get what they want.
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Ahh ok i follow now, i thought you were implying that "this is strip bass .com " so the members here should be more active. I follow now thanks for the clarification.

To put my demented twist on it, almost feels like there is no voice that makes a diff as the fat cats get what they want.
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feeling that way....time to run it over the goal line rather than trying to lob a pass
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:26 AM   #8
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Here is the Feb 16 meeting announcement:

http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatr...d/pn021615.htm

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Old 02-04-2015, 08:41 AM   #9
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feeling that way....time to run it over the goal line rather than trying to lob a pass
Love it lol.

Maybe you can answer this question i have not found the answer.

The people that make these decisions are they hired or elected?
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Love it lol.

Maybe you can answer this question i have not found the answer.

The people that make these decisions are they hired or elected?
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Some are hired, some elected, some appointed.

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Some are hired, some elected, some appointed.
Seems like after the dust settles that would be the first point of attack.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:06 AM   #12
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here they are in RI......

State of Rhode Island
Office of the Governor
Gina M. Raimondo

82 Smith Street
Providence, RI 02903
Phone: (401) 222-2080
Fax: (401) 222-8096
http://www.governor.ri.gov/contact/


Janet Coit
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Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management

235 Promenade Street
Providence, RI 02908
Office Number: 401/222-2771
E-mail: janet.coit@dem.ri.gov





Sen. Susan Sosnowski
RI Legislature

680 Glen Rock Road
W. Kingston, Rhode Island 02892 E‐Mail: Sen‐sosnowski@rilin.state.ri.us
Tel: 401.222.4200

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Old 02-05-2015, 03:34 PM   #13
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Yet they still approved all C.E. plans and kicked the decision back to the individual states to implement final guidelines. RI will probably dictate how CT proceeds. NJ seems like a lost cause, I mean done deal. Nice to read that MA may proceed at 1 fish.
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The formal announcement from yesterday's ASMFC meeting: Emphasis highlighted. Will the states work together? Diodati stated he was recommending 1@28.

Alexandria, VA – The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission’s Atlantic Striped Bass Management Board approved Addendum IV implementation plans and conservation equivalency proposals for all the states and jurisdictions. The implementation plans, which were reviewed and approved by the Technical Committee, contain state-specific management options that achieve a 25% reduction in harvest from 2013 levels for the coastal fishery and 20.5% reduction in harvest from 2012 levels for the Chesapeake Bay fishery. Given the wide range of options being considered, the Board recommended neighboring states and jurisdictions work together to implement consistent management measures, especially on shared water bodies. This recommendation was also supported by the Commission’s Law Enforcement Committee. Additionally, the Board reminded states there is greater certainty in the percent reductions of simple management measures (i.e., changes in bag or size limits) relative to more complex measures (e.g., slot/trophy fish and mode-specific options).

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RI is holding a public workshop and hearing on all proposed rule changes for the 2015 season on Feb. 16th. Among them are the striped bass rules, including a 1 fish at 28 inches for everyone and a 1 fish at 28 inches for general public and 2 at 32 inches for Charter/party boats.

Workshop - http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatr...df/021615p.pdf

Hearing - http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatr...f/021615pp.pdf

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nice rundown in the current RISSA newsletter explaining the nature of the Feb 16th meeting and RIDEM's "LEAN" initiative....it would be great for the deciders to get a steady flow of opinion on this throughout the week and leading up to the meeting....we can be sure the the folks pushing a two fish option are not resting

I noted in a recent RISSA newsletter that in recognition of the noted striper decline their annual spring bass tourney will now be catch-and-release only

page 3 and continued on page 21
http://www.risaa.org/newsletter/newsletter0215.html

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Old 02-09-2015, 12:00 PM   #17
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letters sent

Scott letters to all the contacts you listed have been sent. Hope it does some good. But it wont if others are not doing the same. We need to make our presence and views recognized. If we don't it will business as usual and we will be ignored.
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here's the state by state proposals as reported in OTW http://www.onthewater.com/states-wei...-options-2015/

you can see that RI can be the key to a 1@28 all modes consistency from Maine to Connecticut...a good showing on Monday would send an effective message...

here are some bullet point and an additional address to submit your thought s and feelings prior to the Monday workshop and meeting...Connecticut residents should be aware that their state will lean in favor of what ever RI decides and should feel free to contact the RI folks above and below, Mass residents should also remind these folks that Mass is leaning toward 1@28 all modes and RI expressed a need for consistency state to state as a rationale for offering a mode split option....the best option for consistency for MA,RI CT will be 1@28 all modes...let the NY boats fish their own abundant waters

Bullet Points

-ASMFC Enforcement Committee pleaded for “simple and consistent regulations for all recreational modes” and stated that “mode exemptions, narrow slots and on board filleting and are all difficult to enforce”

- ASMFC Technical Committee (TC) made it clear their data confidence is negativly impacted by complex and differing regulations by state.

- ASMFC Chief closed the session stressing the need for “simple and consistent regional regulations”

-TC only ever provided options with >50% likelihood of success.

- All CE 2015 analyses by TC assume 100% angler compliance

-Massachusetts: The Mass DMF has basically rejected the idea of special limits for the “for-hire” fleet and is recommending a daily limit for striped bass of 1 fish, 28″ or larger.

-Connecticut has indicated they will likely align with RI’s regulations.


Questions for RIDEM Director regarding mode splits….

-What evidence has been presented to establish the potential negative impact to the for-hire industry caused by a 1 fish per client kill limit regarding bass? There is no % reduction of fishing, only killing of a species in documented decline.

-Why create an exception which benefits primarily out of state residents?

-Why promote the continued plundering by out of state vessels in RI waters that provide zero economic benefit for RI? The 1 @ proposal would keep them in their own waters reducing pressure on RI waters, it’s summer bass population and on already stretched RI enforcement officials.

-What constitutes “for-hire” and “clients”?…there are many captain’s licenses granted, is any “captain” with a vessel and those on board his/her vessel granted a 2 bass mode split exception(clients paying full fare, partial fare, friends, family, fellow fishing club members)? Shore guided clients?...kayak guided clients? Other? How can/will this be enforced?

-At a time when anglers, organizations, clubs, industry publications as well as many “for-hire’s” are recognizing the need for conservation and reacting, even without changes in the regulations, to lessen their impact and promote stewardship, why would we create a 2 fish “exception” for those who are admittedly(out of state visitors) the least likely to have a long term interest in the species?

-How does the economic hardship claim by some “for hire’s” align with the fact that many have already successfully become largely catch and release or reduced their impact without changes in regulations and the support of organizations such as the Cape Cod Charter Boat Association’s support of a 1 bass all modes?

-How is a mode split exception consistent with requests of the ASMFC committee’s requests and the RIDEM’s own “LEAN” initiative?

INSTRUCTIONS FOR WRITTEN COMMENTS:
Written comments concerning the proposed regulations may be submitted to

Peter Duhamel, Division of Fish and Wildlife Marine Fisheries office, 3 Fort Wetherill Road, Jamestown, RI 02835 peter.duhamel@dem.ri.gov

no later than 12:00 Noon on February 16, 2015. A copy of the proposed regulation(s) will also be available on the DEM website at the following web address:http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatr...d/pn021615.htm.

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Thanks for the points scott.
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Scott, thanks for clearing up a few things I wasn't aware of. Alot deeper of an issue than I thought.
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