only the dead see the end of war HBO

[wdmso]

A must watch

This Documentary Shows How Iraq really was and the development of current day Isis .. and debunks the narrative that Iraq was ever as stable as some would have us believe

[scottw]

reviewed at Salon the other day....

MONDAY, MAR 28, 2016 06:57 PM EDT

Michael Ware’s Iraq War doc doesn’t hold up: “Only The Dead See The End Of War” captures the horror and confusion, but skimps on analysis

The Time and CNN war correspondent's disconnected HBO documentary could have been a nonfictional “The Hurt Locker”

SONIA SARAIYA

[JohnR]

I will check it out this week.

Do an apolitical look at Iraq, all facets, and there is plenty of blame to spread around. Politics is the root of the problem with going in in the first place, effing up once in there, and screwing up the leaving. This is something American politicians have been exceptional at for 150 years - with few exceptions.

I highly recommend the book Dereliction of Duty, by (then Major) General McMaster

http://www.amazon.com/Dereliction-Du.../dp/0060929081

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I will check it out this week.

Do an apolitical look at Iraq, all facets, and there is plenty of blame to spread around. Politics is the root of the problem with going in in the first place, effing up once in there, and screwing up the leaving. This is something American politicians have been exceptional at for 150 years - with few exceptions.

I highly recommend the book Dereliction of Duty, by (then Major) General McMaster

http://www.amazon.com/Dereliction-Du.../dp/0060929081

Couldn't agree more

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

reviewed at Salon the other day....

MONDAY, MAR 28, 2016 06:57 PM EDT

Michael Ware’s Iraq War doc doesn’t hold up: “Only The Dead See The End Of War” captures the horror and confusion, but skimps on analysis

The Time and CNN war correspondent's disconnected HBO documentary could have been a nonfictional “The Hurt Locker”

SONIA SARAIYA

So you did't watch it ...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So you did't watch it ...

no plans to based on the reviews ......and I don't like violence....

VARIETY
MARCH 24, 2016

If a picture is worth a thousand words, it takes an awful lot of pictures – grisly, horrific ones – to drown out the banality of the verbiage in “Only the Dead See the End of War,” Michael Ware’s video memoir of his seven years covering the conflict in Iraq. The Australian journalist’s heavy-handed narration is frequently groan inducing...........Yet while watching it is no picnic due to the graphic nature of what’s on screen, “Only the Dead See the End of War” ultimately proves harder on the ears than it is on the eyes.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

no plans to based on the reviews ......and I don't like violence....

VARIETY
MARCH 24, 2016

If a picture is worth a thousand words, it takes an awful lot of pictures – grisly, horrific ones – to drown out the banality of the verbiage in “Only the Dead See the End of War,” Michael Ware’s video memoir of his seven years covering the conflict in Iraq. The Australian journalist’s heavy-handed narration is frequently groan inducing...........Yet while watching it is no picnic due to the graphic nature of what’s on screen, “Only the Dead See the End of War” ultimately proves harder on the ears than it is on the eyes.

I can respect not wanting to see it due to the violence..


It Seems Variety thinks war shouldn't been shown for what it is horrific ,and they complain about the banality of the verbiage ??

I think they missed the point .. thats my 2 cents

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I think they missed the point .. thats my 2 cents

they were probably reviewing it as a movie rather than as a political statement

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

no plans to based on the reviews ......and I don't like violence....

VARIETY
MARCH 24, 2016

If a picture is worth a thousand words, it takes an awful lot of pictures – grisly, horrific ones – to drown out the banality of the verbiage in “Only the Dead See the End of War,” Michael Ware’s video memoir of his seven years covering the conflict in Iraq. The Australian journalist’s heavy-handed narration is frequently groan inducing...........Yet while watching it is no picnic due to the graphic nature of what’s on screen, “Only the Dead See the End of War” ultimately proves harder on the ears than it is on the eyes.

You are trusting Salon and Variety for reviews?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You are trusting Salon and Variety for reviews?

sure...you listen to Rush Limbaugh don't you?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

All the Documentary does is support what I have expressed that Iraq was never Stable

If the title of the documentary is taken from a quote by Santayana that "Only the dead have seen the end of war", and if the author of the documentary agreed with Santayana that "there is eternal war in nature", then ipso facto he would believe that Iraq was never stable. And he would also believe that no country was ever stable. The "eternal war" would negate any stability. And, I happen to agree with that. Not only is war eternal, so is change. One could equate change with war, change being a type of war. Witness history. In it, about the only thing that remains the same in politics throughout time is what we refer to as "human nature." We try to dissect and examine that nature, "finding" different factors which contribute to it, or we try to deconstruct it, but it consistently pops up in the same stereotypical ways in all facets of our lives throughout recorded time.

Countries are stable only in that they are all composed of people and their human nature. All else is subject to the war of change.

On the other hand there is this human concoction of and desire for stability. We seek to escape the constant roil of change and construct a more comforting "eternity" by which we know all there is to know and so find that place where our versions of "peace" will be everlasting.

But we have only been successful, on this earth, to varying degrees, to achieve temporary spans of what we consider stability.

So, when those who "hate Obama" as you put it say Iraq was stable, they are referring to a certain set of conditions which have been suppressed and to another set of conditions which have been created. How long those conditions remain "stable" will depend on other sets of conditions, including US military presence in this case. That stability does not mean that the underlying eternal war in nature won't also continue to exist. It doesn't mean that conflicting factions and faults of human nature will not continue to exist. It only means that the the "eternal war" is contained. And it will only be contained if the conditions which suppress it exist. Even an Obama "lover" like Joe Biden was seeing a condition of stability and a hope for democracy in Iraq.

But it would only be a question of time when the eternal war would bust out of its containment. The only question would be in what direction the change would lead. Our troops leaving too soon seems to have turned the direction in ways that made our sacrifices meaningless. Of course, eternal war never ends. So neither ISIS, nor the other Islamist tyrants are guaranteed any eternal victory.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Of course, eternal war never ends.

nor eternal debate....fortunately we have movies, books and documentaries "eternally" popping up so that we can continue to argue fault and folly....I wonder when they'll get creative and produce flicks that project what would have come to pass and where we'd be if actions were not taken? That seems doable

[ecduzitgood]

Isis is the MS13 of the middle east.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=ecduzitgood;1097969]Isis is the MS13 of the middle east.
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I agree 100%
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