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09-13-2018, 05:04 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
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Andover on fire
Man oh man, I can’t believe what I’m watching on the news, over 50 fires in Lawrence, Andover and North Andover, due to gas pressure issue. Boy that’s going to steer people away from gas heat.
Hope our community is safe and on oil heat, if on Columbia Gas get out or shut gas of.
Last edited by Got Stripers; 09-13-2018 at 05:15 PM..
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09-13-2018, 05:57 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
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They must have had to call the entire Boston metro FD. Crazy.
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09-13-2018, 07:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
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horrible.
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09-13-2018, 07:28 PM
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Pete K.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,953
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I have been reluctant to switch to gas... its like owning a pit bull... no problem most of the time, but only takes one incident
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09-13-2018, 08:19 PM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,543
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This is mind numbing....
I have always lived in homes with oil. No gas in the street here. As a contractor, my limited knowledge of gas systems practices is that there are PRVs or pressure relief valves, that should open in the face of excess pressure and release into open air, ie. outside, and in commercial buildings, at or above the roof elevation. I wonder if newer designs failed, or if some steps were cut out in the name of saving the almighty buck.....
Fires and explosions that could not even be responded to.... Logistical nightmare. Kudos to all the responders converging through mutual support system and beyond. Sixty plus incidents and counting.
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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09-13-2018, 08:53 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
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This has been nuts.
Hope the SCADA systems were not effed with /tinfoilhat
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09-14-2018, 01:38 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Hope the SCADA systems were not effed with /tinfoilhat
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A big challenge the utilities have is that they don't have the experience with areas like configuration management to comply with increasing regs for cyber security...so they're bench marking industries like aerospace to learn. A big area of liability still isn't even hacking it's malicious activity within the firewall. |
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09-14-2018, 01:52 PM
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Hardcore Equipment Tester
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Abington, MA
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Supposedly it was one of the subs that National Grid also uses, they over pressurised a line. Looks like they will be paying out huge on this
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Bent Rods and Screaming Reels!
Spot NAZI
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09-13-2018, 09:02 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
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Awful what had happened for sure
Unbelievable that nobody was killed yet.
10 people hurt in explosions
Gas company has not even communicated with the fire chief WTF
Something or someone messed up badly here
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09-13-2018, 09:19 PM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
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Makes me think about how vulnerable our power grid and utilities might be. Could a hacker....???
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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09-13-2018, 09:43 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
Makes me think about how vulnerable our power grid and utilities might be. Could a hacker....???
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I think chances are around 1 percent but hackers have been targeting Gas Companies / Elec Grid / Utilities, etc. RUS/CHN/IRN/Norks grinding away at SCADA systems. |
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09-14-2018, 12:27 AM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
I think chances are around 1 percent but hackers have been targeting Gas Companies / Elec Grid / Utilities, etc. RUS/CHN/IRN/Norks grinding away at SCADA systems.
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About one percent chance members know SCADA acronym.... nerd  |
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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09-14-2018, 03:42 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
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classic corporate America money to profits Screw the infrastructure and preventive maintenance.. had a house blow up some years ago in our Town people reported gas smell for years . guess what got replaced soon after the accident ... yep all the gas line in that area
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09-13-2018, 09:41 PM
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Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Glastonbury, CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipknot
Awful what had happened for sure
Unbelievable that nobody was killed yet.
10 people hurt in explosions
Gas company has not even communicated with the fire chief WTF
Something or someone messed up badly here
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Someone died now, just came through on the news
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The artist formerly known as Scratch59.
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09-13-2018, 10:24 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Originally Posted by Ian
Someone died now, just came through on the news
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18 year old, chimney fell on him and his friends while they were driving down the road. 2 other kids that were in the car are still in the hospital.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-14-2018, 06:54 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
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so i get why, at sufficient pressure the gas would cause the container to explode. by why does it ignite? the pressure causes ignition? it doesn’t require a spark?
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09-14-2018, 11:11 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 4 hours from my favorite place
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
so i get why, at sufficient pressure the gas would cause the container to explode. by why does it ignite? the pressure causes ignition? it doesn’t require a spark?
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I am by far an expert on any of this but is it comparable to higher compression equals higher combustion like in a diesel engine? Either way scary and sad....I'll stick to electric...... praying for all involved. |
Simplify.......
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09-14-2018, 07:04 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
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The house I used to live next to blew up years ago while a bunch of Stonehill students were inside. Gas company yanked the line while digging and that was enough to create a spark.
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09-14-2018, 07:07 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
so i get why, at sufficient pressure the gas would cause the container to explode. by why does it ignite? the pressure causes ignition? it doesn’t require a spark?
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Anything, static, spark, water heater pilot light |
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09-14-2018, 07:42 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
Anything, static, spark, water heater pilot light
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So it's not the instant release of gas, by itself, that causes the explosion, it's that the high volume of gas will find the necessary spark in many cases...gotcha...
Godawful situation. |
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09-14-2018, 08:44 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So it's not the instant release of gas, by itself, that causes the explosion, it's that the high volume of gas will find the necessary spark in many cases...gotcha...
Godawful situation.
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Yes. When out in the open air it is usually not dense enough to cause the spark, indoors however....
Reminder to take a look outside and familiarize how to turn off gas |
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09-14-2018, 01:27 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So it's not the instant release of gas, by itself, that causes the explosion, it's that the high volume of gas will find the necessary spark in many cases...gotcha...
Godawful situation.
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Happened right around dinner time, people probably getting read to cook.
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09-14-2018, 08:15 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,295
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Sad situation. I think they shut all the electrical off to try to prevent some of the fires. Read plumbers were running yard to yard to try to shut off the gas.
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09-14-2018, 11:09 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Reading Mass/Newburyport/merrimack river
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1/3 of our work force lives in lawrence..the shop is very quiet today...
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