Current headline on Yahoo - Why Florida Has Americas Lowest Covid Rate

[Jim in CT]

I can't take a screen shot for some reason, but that's the headline this morning on Yahoo.

I figured some folks here (1) would want to know, and (2) wouldn't know based on where they get their news.

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"During the past two months, however, Florida’s daily average has plummeted by more than 90 percent, to about 1,700 cases, or eight for every 100,000 residents. That’s roughly half of California’s current COVID rate and less than a quarter of Vermont’s."

[The Dad Fisherman]

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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of course, when florida’s numbers were high, that was a sign that desantis was incompetent, and the same people who said so, will obviously not say desantis gets any credit for the decrease.

which is why guy can’t judge someone in a couple
of months, even if those months really help make the political
point you’re trying to make.

i also saw that there have been the usual number of white cops shootings unarmed blacks in 2021, but for some reason the media and al sharpton aren’t screaming about systemic racism every time
it happens. by an amazing coincidence, people stopped caring about those things the same day that Biden was inaugurated. just a coincidence.
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[wdmso]

Florida COVID Cases Among Lowest in Country Two Months After Record High Surge. https://www.newsweek.com/florida-cov...-surge-1639985

Again posting a half truth
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[spence]

Did you bother to read the article?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you bother to read the article?
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of course, written by a liberal hack. the author gave all the reasons why desantis deserves no credit for the drop, because these things are cyclical. but if that’s true, it’s also necessarily true that desantis deserves no blame for the summer spike

the left, as always, wants it both ways. when the numbers are bad, desantis is at fault. when the numbers improve, he gets no credit.

does that make sense to you, spence?

desantis didn’t keep
numbers down, except that the state did a good job with their many seniors ( guy know, not forcing nursing homes to admit sick people). what desantis did, is show that there may very well be no benefit at all, to the brutal business lockdowns and disastrous school closures.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

of course, written by a liberal hack.
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You were all proud of you headline !

What happened?"
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you bother to read the article?
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Does he ever?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Does he ever?
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I read every word. It proved my point, that for political reasons, you will all say Desantis is responsible when Floridas numbers go up, but none if you have sh*t to say when Floridas numbers are the best in the nation.

Now, if theres a reason for that double standard other than partisan politics, well, we're all ears.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I can't take a screen shot for some reason, but that's the headline this morning on Yahoo.

I figured some folks here (1) would want to know, and (2) wouldn't know based on where they get their news.

.from yahoo...

"During the past two months, however, Florida’s daily average has plummeted by more than 90 percent, to about 1,700 cases, or eight for every 100,000 residents. That’s roughly half of California’s current COVID rate and less than a quarter of Vermont’s."

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just hold your hands over your ears and scream

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

That would be the data from One study and consumption philanthropy is quite different than a food bank or homeless shelter. It works like this:

Nike's Phil Knight gave $1.6 billion to his foundation in 2018
*$1.26B was tax deductible
*Made up 2.8% of his net worth
*Used donation to push U of Oregon to cut ties with sweatshop monitoring group

As long as you’re willing to give DeathSantis credit for 40,000 unnecessary deaths

Meanwhile the tweet from Phil Scott

The data is clear: vaccines work. Throughout the Delta wave, the most vaccinated states have seen significantly fewer hospitalizations and fatalities. VT has stood out even among the most vaccinated places. Thousands of Vermonters get vaccinated every week. Join them.

The tweet from DeathSantis

1. Your livelihood should not be dependent upon whether you get a COVID shot. This is a personal decision.
2. The Biden Vaccine Mandate is unconstitutional, and we have a responsibility to fight back as a state.
3. Vaccine mandates are bad for the economy.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation….

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ?

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They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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once again, as always, he cannot respond to what was said and done, so he responds to some crazy radical thing ( FL did “nothing”) that’s easier for him to respond to. The fact that it’s not even close to what transpired, somehow doesn’t matter to him.

“Oh so you’re saying the state should just execute all of the senior citizens up front to spew them the suffering of covid, and then sell
their organs on ebay.”.

it’s that stupid.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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So what actions did Ron take ?seeing I haven’t seen one example

Other than he got the shot ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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Pretty simple
His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity.
If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate.
Hurrah
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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I didn’t say that paternity leave was the answer, what I said was:
“You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.”
Do I need to explain a Venn diagram?
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[Pete F.]

Just hold your hands over your ears and scream

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just hold your hands over your ears and scream

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

Didn't he previously argue that the total #s from inception were the most important thing?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Didn't he previously argue that the total #s from inception were the most important thing?

I did argue that, and I stand by that.

You snowflakes were hyper-focused on short-term numbers. When Floridas numbers were bad, you were all gleefully posting the weekly data. Then all of a sudden - poof! - you all stopped. You all stopped at the same exact time, and by an amazing coincidence, that just happened to be when Floridas numbers got better.

I'm not very impressed by any very short term results, they're too volatile. It was you and your fellow lefties here, who made it clear that weekly results were what mattered. Well unless you were all full of sh*t, these weekly results also matter.

I'm being consistent. You're all flip-flopping.

Let's go, Brandon!

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I did argue that, and I stand by that.

You snowflakes were hyper-focused on short-term numbers. When Floridas numbers were bad, you were all gleefully posting the weekly data. Then all of a sudden - poof! - you all stopped. You all stopped at the same exact time, and by an amazing coincidence, that just happened to be when Floridas numbers got better.

I'm not very impressed by any very short term results, they're too volatile. It was you and your fellow lefties here, who made it clear that weekly results were what mattered. Well unless you were all full of sh*t, these weekly results also matter.

I'm being consistent. You're all flip-flopping.

Let's go, Brandon!

The short term numbers are what you have a chance of controlling a pandemic with.

If you had a mass murderer in a place with a population of 22 million and each day he killed three hundred and fifty of them, would that be alright?
You would be screaming to eliminate civil rights until he was found, just like the Patriot Act.
If Covid was a Muslim all the conservatives would be wearing masks, getting vaccinated and have Covid hunter bumper stickers

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The short term numbers are what you have a chance of controlling a pandemic with.

If you had a mass murderer in a place with a population of 22 million and each day he killed three hundred and fifty of them, would that be alright?
You would be screaming to eliminate civil rights until he was found, just like the Patriot Act.
If Covid was a Muslim all the conservatives would be wearing masks, getting vaccinated and have Covid hunter bumper stickers

ok. so why did you give cuomo a complete pass when he was forcing nursing homes to admit residents who were sick with a disease that we all knew would target the elderly?

and then he fished the numbers

and still, everyone sang his praises, he got a book deal, he got an Emmy.

if short term numbers are important, which is your claim, you should
be happily posting that florida’s numbers are improving. but you aren’t posting that, because you want fodida to have bad numbers so desantis isn’t a political threat to the alzheimer’s patient we have now.

Furthermore, Florida’s numbers were pretty good all along, until this summer. Yet you never posted anything about florida until the cases spiked. how come?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's go, Brandon!

Classy Guy.