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10-30-2021, 10:14 AM
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Are the democrats trying to lose?
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10-30-2021, 11:23 AM
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This makes some sense actually.
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10-30-2021, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
This makes some sense actually.
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sure. gonna play great on election day. so keep advocating for it.
it makes sense to you, that people
who break our laws and get separated from families while being processed, are entitled to
more money than the family of servicemen who are killed in action. that makes some sense to you?
figures…
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10-30-2021, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
sure. gonna play great on election day. so keep advocating for it.
it makes sense to you, that people
who break our laws and get separated from families while being processed, are entitled to
more money than the family of servicemen who are killed in action. that makes some sense to you?
figures…
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I don’t know what the actual numbers could be, this entire story seems to be unverified. But it looks there about a thousand complaints already filed and a good number will likely be headed to the courts where the penalties could be significant. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are calculating it would be easier to settle.
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10-30-2021, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I don’t know what the actual numbers could be, this entire story seems to be unverified. But it looks there about a thousand complaints already filed and a good number will likely be headed to the courts where the penalties could be significant. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are calculating it would be easier to settle.
This is a mess largely of Trump’s making.
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lots of criminals complain. we should just pay them all
off.
if you or i were arrested, would
we be able to keep our kids/relatives with us? or would
we get separated?
and people ( smaller number ) were separated from families under the obama/biden administration. they don’t deserve anything? families separated under trump, necessarily suffered more than families separated under obama/biden?
as i said, i’m wondering if democrats want to lose. you think this is a winning position in NC?
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10-30-2021, 12:44 PM
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Under Obama it was done when in the interest of the child, huge difference.
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10-30-2021, 12:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Under Obama it was done when in the interest of the child, huge difference.
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i mean, obviously the intentions were noble when obama did it. no need to mention. trump was hoping to kill them all and sell their organs on ebay.
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10-30-2021, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i mean, obviously the intentions were noble when obama did it. no need to mention. trump was hoping to kill them all and sell their organs on ebay.
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Jim, Trump’s policy at the time was draconian. |
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10-30-2021, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Jim, Trump’s policy at the time was draconian.
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and a policy encouraging illegals to rent children and bring them
across is what? brilliant?
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10-30-2021, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
and a policy encouraging illegals to rent children and bring them
across is what? brilliant?
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11-01-2021, 02:15 PM
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No President or Party has ever abused the Constitution like the Stable Genius
Here’s how he as much as amended it thru his actions and the failure of the spineless members of his party to do anything other than express fealty.
Amendment 1. No president shall be removed from office for treason, bribery, or any other crime or misdemeanor, no matter how high, should a partisan minority of the Senate choose to protect him.
Amendment 2. Congressional oversight shall be optional. No congressional subpoena or demand for testimony or documents shall bind a president who chooses to ignore it.
Amendment 3. Congressional appropriations shall be suggestions. The president may choose whether or not to comply with congressional spending laws, and Congress shall have no recourse should a president declare that his own priorities supersede Congress’s instructions.
Amendment 4. The president shall have authority to make appointments as he sees fit, without the advice and consent of the Senate, provided he deems his appointees to be acting, temporary, or otherwise exempt from the ordinary confirmation process.
Amendment 5. The president shall have unconstrained authority to dangle and issue pardons for the purpose of obstructing justice, tampering with witnesses, and forestalling investigations.
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11-01-2021, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
No President or Party has ever abused the Constitution like the Stable Genius
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dear pete...trump is no longer president...time to move along |
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11-02-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
dear pete...trump is no longer president...time to move along
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Donald Trump is now the odds-on favorite to be president of the United States in 2025.
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11-02-2021, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Donald Trump is now the odds-on favorite to be president of the United States in 2025.
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So you've already given up on Biden being re-elected based on his own merit, huh 
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-02-2021, 06:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
Donald Trump is now the odds-on favorite to be president of the United States in 2025.
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
So you've already given up on Biden being re-elected based on his own merit, huh
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Not at all, Trump is the current odds on favorite with bookies worldwide.
So was Hillary |
Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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11-02-2021, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
So you've already given up on Biden being re-elected based on his own merit, huh
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one of these days biden is going to nod off in the middle of an important meeting and not wake up.... |
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11-02-2021, 07:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
Donald Trump is now the odds-on favorite to be president of the United States in 2025.
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well...he was LEAST likely to be president last time he won .....so....think about it |
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11-01-2021, 03:59 PM
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#18
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
No President or Party has ever abused the Constitution like the Stable Genius
For someone who chastises others for not knowing what you refer to as "history," you display a blatant ignorance of it. Other Presidents in the past have abused the Constitution far worse than anything you claim "the Stable Genius" has done. Try FDR for one of the several. His whole "New Deal" was the most flagrant abuse of the Constitution ever done by a presidential administration.
Here’s how he as much as amended it thru his actions and the failure of the spineless members of his party to do anything other than express fealty.
Amendment 1. No president shall be removed from office for treason, bribery, or any other crime or misdemeanor, no matter how high, should a partisan minority of the Senate choose to protect him.
That has always been true. See the Clinton impeachment.
Amendment 2. Congressional oversight shall be optional. No congressional subpoena or demand for testimony or documents shall bind a president who chooses to ignore it.
Nothing new there. A President who unconstitutionally ignores congressional oversight can be removed from office if Congress has the numbers to do it.
Amendment 3. Congressional appropriations shall be suggestions. The president may choose whether or not to comply with congressional spending laws, and Congress shall have no recourse should a president declare that his own priorities supersede Congress’s instructions.
Congress has the power to override a presidential veto of any congressional legislation. That's not changed or "as much as" been amended by Trump.
Amendment 4. The president shall have authority to make appointments as he sees fit, without the advice and consent of the Senate, provided he deems his appointees to be acting, temporary, or otherwise exempt from the ordinary confirmation process.
That's not a new thing that Trump "as much as" amended.
Amendment 5. The president shall have unconstrained authority to dangle and issue pardons for the purpose of obstructing justice, tampering with witnesses, and forestalling investigations.
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The President has always been able to pardon anyone for any reason related to a federal crime, even for treason. Trump has not made any change to that.
And increments to presidential power beyond that which is given in the Constitution has always been a goal of Progressives. Even though it can bite them in their political ass sometimes, it still facilitates the progress toward replacing the Constitution with their preferred centralized government by an administrative state. |
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11-01-2021, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
The President has always been able to pardon anyone for any reason related to a federal crime, even for treason. Trump has not made any change to that.
And increments to presidential power beyond that which is given in the Constitution has always been a goal of Progressives. Even though it can bite them in their political ass sometimes, it still facilitates the progress toward replacing the Constitution with their preferred centralized government by an administrative state.
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As I said
Here’s how he as much as amended it thru his actions and the failure of the spineless members of his party to do anything other than express fealty.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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11-01-2021, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
As I said
Here’s how he as much as amended it thru his actions and the failure of the spineless members of his party to do anything other than express fealty.
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Doing what you're constitutionally allowed to do is not amending the Constitution, it is following the Constitution. |
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11-01-2021, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Doing what you're constitutionally allowed to do is not amending the Constitution, it is following the Constitution.
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And just what would have happened if his “Fire in the Reichstag” had worked on January 6th?
Would Eastman’s plan also have been constitutional in your view?
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
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Lets Go Darwin
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11-01-2021, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
And just what would have happened if his “Fire in the Reichstag” had worked on January 6th?
Would Eastman’s plan also have been constitutional in your view?
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So you're no longer interested in discussing how the "Stable Genius" as much as amended the Constitution? |
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