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04-12-2020, 03:02 PM
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are you denying that a number of doctors are saying they had success with this?
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yes he is
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04-12-2020, 03:03 PM
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04-12-2020, 03:05 PM
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Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change
This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.
Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters
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here you go. now ask yourself, how come the places where you get you news, refuse to report this? can you think of why you’ve been hidden from this?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...quine-n2566409
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04-12-2020, 03:12 PM
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Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change
This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.
Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters
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a poll of 6,000 doctors worldwide, said that hydroxychloroquine was the MOST EFFECTIVE way to treat covid 19. the single
most effective way. But you cannot accept this or even process it, because trump says it’s so. he didn’t invent it, all he did was say he’s aware it works. NOPE! Can’t be true. Not if Trump says so. You don’t have TDS, no sir! How are you going to respond to this? How?
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ve-therapy-do/
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04-12-2020, 05:05 PM
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“i watched cnn every day last week and they didn’t say chloroquine is working, so trump must be making it all up.”
that’s just ingenious, flawless logic. foxnews is
making up every positive story about the drug.
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04-12-2020, 05:06 PM
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04-12-2020, 05:07 PM
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04-12-2020, 05:08 PM
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04-12-2020, 05:09 PM
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I’ve been talking to my daughter about this, she was telling me that the reason this drug is working for treatment is because of its immune-regulating properties. A lot of people are dying because their own immune systems are raging out of control and start attacking healthy cells. Administering this drug at the right time help to regulate it. The right time is key, as they do have to let the body’s immune system do it’s job against the virus.
I tend to listen to her as she works at the University of Maryland Medical Center and studies viruses.
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04-12-2020, 05:10 PM
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I’ve been talking to my daughter about this, she was telling me that the reason this drug is working for treatment is because of its immune-regulating properties. A lot of people are dying because their own immune systems are raging out of control and start attacking healthy cells. Administering this drug at the right time help to regulate it. The right time is key, as they do have to let the body’s immune system do it’s job against the virus.
I tend to listen to her as she works at the University of Maryland Medical Center and studies viruses.
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she sounds like a wacky Trumplican to me!
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04-12-2020, 05:14 PM
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wayne, another.
i’ll stop, i could go all day. And no, I don’t think Trump is a doctor. You are the one wallowing in ignorance on this issue. you would
do well to ask yourself why your sources kept all this from you. it was intentional, there was a specific reason why you had no
idea that actual doctors, in some cases, had some success with this drug. Can you guess?
https://www.independentsentinel.com/...ccess-is-real/
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04-12-2020, 05:23 PM
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Once again, follow the links and read the actual study Jim, it doesn’t provide any evidence it’s an effective drug, just that some doctors mostly in Spain and Italy believe it’s better than other options. The other anecdotes cited assuming they’re even real have no control group, it’s best case just an anecdote, that’s not how medical guidelines are created. I’ve seen other anecdotes where there’s no benefit observed at all, just side effects.
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04-12-2020, 05:33 PM
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Once again, follow the links and read the actual study Jim, it doesn’t provide any evidence it’s an effective drug, just that some doctors mostly in Spain and Italy believe it’s better than other options. The other anecdotes cited assuming they’re even real have no control group, it’s best case just an anecdote, that’s not how medical guidelines are created. I’ve seen other anecdotes where there’s no benefit observed at all, just side effects.
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i read every word of each link i posted.
you’re saying that rather than being the best option, it’s merely batter them the other options. because “better than other options”, to you, is different from being “the best.”
show me an article saying specifically, that the doctors i posted links to, are lying.
there hasn’t been a credible study done yet, showing that it’s effective. but obviously, the e
empirical evidence suggests it is. only thoughtless idiots who can never concede that trump could ever be right about anything ( fit and wayne are obviously in that group) question this.
pathetic that liberals would
deliberately misinform on something this important.
read the link about the democrat lawmaker from MI. and post a link from someone on your
side, explaining why she’s wrong.
You are possessed by, and are a slave to, your liberalism. every single person here knows where you stand on every single
issue, before you say a word.
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04-12-2020, 06:35 PM
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she sounds like a wacky Trumplican to me!
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This is basically what she was telling me. Shows some promise.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...ne-system.html
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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04-12-2020, 06:56 PM
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how can it show promise? Trump
said it shows promise, therefore it must be the single
worst thing to do in response to the virus.
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04-13-2020, 07:30 AM
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Wayne still hiding?
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04-13-2020, 07:32 AM
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with
It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.
Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,
But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..
Your delusional... 
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04-13-2020, 08:20 AM
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JIM did trump get his. hydroxychloroquine. Info from tweeter?
Mr. Trump reposted a Twitter message that said “Time to #FireFauci” as he rejected criticism of his slow initial response to the pandemic that has now killed more than 22,000 people in the United States. The president privately has been irritated at times with Dr. Fauci, but the Twitter post was the most explicit he has been in letting that show publicly.
And you're the ignorant one in this conversation your suggesting that criticisms of trump and and the use hydroxychloroquine are some how against Trump
Myself nor any news I've seen or read have not been hopeful of the possibility that hydroxychloroquine may be a viable drug , so has Fuci
Seeing you confuse anecdotal and Facts or study or clinical trial
anecdotal evidence noun
Definition of anecdotal evidence
: evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them
His conclusions are not supported by data; they are based only on anecdotal evidence.
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04-13-2020, 08:30 AM
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wayne, another.
i’ll stop, i could go all day. And no, I don’t think Trump is a doctor. You are the one wallowing in ignorance on this issue. you would
do well to ask yourself why your sources kept all this from you. it was intentional, there was a specific reason why you had no
idea that actual doctors, in some cases, had some success with this drug. Can you guess?
https://www.independentsentinel.com/...ccess-is-real/
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So an oncologist is treating a 100 patients with Covid 19 with hydroxychloroquine
Not sure I would go to my oncologists and I have one , if I thought I had Covid 19
Just saying ,, and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision
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04-13-2020, 08:37 AM
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There..represents a place
Their..indicates possession
They’re... takes place of they are
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04-13-2020, 08:50 AM
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and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision
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She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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04-13-2020, 08:52 AM
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with
It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.
Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,
But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..
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So all those stories are just made up? THAT'S what you're saying.
Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling.
Again, you're a slave to your ideology. You cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.
The CDC and FDA are NOT denying that it works in some cases. There just hasn't been an official study yet.
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04-13-2020, 08:55 AM
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She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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I'm not woke. But unlike you two, I'm rational.
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04-13-2020, 08:57 AM
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She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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You tried to differentiate "best option", from "an option that's better than the other available options"
Because that makes sense.
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04-13-2020, 08:58 AM
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The CDC and FDA are NOT denying that it works in some cases. There just hasn't been an official study yet.
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So you about you let the ongoing studies conclude before pushing a politically motivated campaign to indulge Trump’s longing for a miracle cure.
If it helps great but the last thing we need is more politics polluting science, that’s bad enough already.
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04-13-2020, 08:59 AM
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with
It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.
Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,
But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..
Your delusional... 
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I would have liked to use your sources, but your sources won't report on this. How about the black woman who is a legislator in Michigan? You are saying that she is making her story up?
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04-13-2020, 09:00 AM
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This has happened ...
My Father who is 79 not in the best health but good for his age. He tested postive for Covid 19
Over a week ago and only had mild symptoms . Thankfully.
This leads me to the issue of hydroxychloroquine.. and its precived success in outcomes
If he was given hydroxychloroquine( HE WAS NOT) should I have concluded this was the reason he only had mild symptoms, based on his age and the news on who is at greater risk
But if he had been given it and with all the info on who's being impacted, by covid the conclusion would have been the hydroxychloroquine saved him , and perhaps his doctor would draw the same conclusions and prescribed to others ..
when what actual happen wasHe just kicked it with no medical Treatment other hydration and tylenol. And he just stayed at home
His recovery isnt Anecdotal ... but if he was on hydroxychloroquine it would be considered anecdotal
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04-13-2020, 09:02 AM
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04-13-2020, 09:09 AM
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This has happened ...
My Father who is 79 not in the best health but good for his age. He tested postive for Covid 19
Over a week ago and only had mild symptoms . Thankfully.
This leads me to the issue of hydroxychloroquine.. and its precived success in outcomes
If he was given hydroxychloroquine( HE WAS NOT) should I have concluded this was the reason he only had mild symptoms, based on his age and the news on who is at greater risk
But if he had been given it and with all the info on who's being impacted, by covid the conclusion would have been the hydroxychloroquine saved him , and perhaps his doctor would draw the same conclusions and prescribed to others ..
when what actual happen wasHe just kicked it with no medical Treatment other hydration and tylenol. And he just stayed at home
His recovery isnt Anecdotal ... but if he was on hydroxychloroquine it would be considered anecdotal
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You are so, so ignorant on this. I'm glad you aren't advising your dad (thank God his case is mild, I hope it stays that way!)
It's not for people with mild symptoms. It's mostly being reserved for people with severe symptoms, and many doctors have ghad success.
Obviously, if a person takes the drug and gets better, that doesn't necessarily mean the drug was the reason...perhaps they would have gotten better on their own.
But why are so many doctors saying that it's helping, in some cases? It's not 100% effective, nothing is. But why are so many doctors saying they are having success, with certain kinds of patients? They're all lying?
Just because you and Spence hate the fact that Trump was right about something, doesn't mean he can't ever be right bout anything.
That's all this is. If Trump said chloroquine could never help, you'd all be saying everyone should take it.
I'm no expert on medicine. I leave it to the experts. So when I hear doctor after doctor after doctor say that the drug has helped in certain cases, I have n reason to doubt them. You and Spence and CNN and MSNBC have a reason to doubt them - you hate Trump.
NO DOCTOR, not one, is denying that most who get it can recover with no medical treatment. What they are saying (and you'd know this if you'd take your fingers out of your ears), is that some very sick patients, are having success with the drug. They're not saying everyone needs the drug, they're not saying everyone is a good candidate to take the drug, they're not saying that everyone who is a good candidate will be cured with the drug. They are saying it helps.
You guys are completely out of your minds, and have turned this forum into an absolute waste, when it didn't used to be that way. It's not possible to have a rational conversation.
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04-13-2020, 09:11 AM
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a poll of 6,000 doctors worldwide, said that hydroxychloroquine was the MOST EFFECTIVE way to treat covid 19. the single
most effective way. But you cannot accept this or even process it, because trump says it’s so. he didn’t invent it, all he did was say he’s aware it works. NOPE! Can’t be true. Not if Trump says so. You don’t have TDS, no sir! How are you going to respond to this? How?
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ve-therapy-do/
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6000 out of how many doctors in the world?.. and you suggest I cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.
Jim there are more 6000 people who think the earth's flats but if they say hydroxychloroquine works you'll support their idea the earth's flat
Just like climate find anyone and present them alternatives to everyone else. And called a fact
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