Trump Flags and this new propaganda industry?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Your beliefs
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I don't have a belief about the foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan regarding radical Marxists.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology , and there its is emotion over facts , socialism is a specific ideology that is actually regressive look at history you suspect communists have power they dont as if there the Illuminati

But your originalist arguments are just that an argument you nor I know what was in the mind of the founders when they wrote it, but they didn't seem overly attached to the old way of doing things , just saying

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How is he undermining the Constitution?

Justice dept seeks to defend Trump defamation case

Not sure if this fits. But its way away from past practice and 1 step closer to the justice department completely under his control

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The national debt, before Trump, was already on the path to trillion dollar deficits forever--and that was with reduced military spending and a sequester on military spending. The military, at a time when it was claimed by the military command, if I remember correctly, that it would be difficult to maintain a war on two fronts, and Iran, radical Islamists, Russia, North Korea, and especially China, were dangerously expanding and high tech modernizing their militaries. It was the military command, not Trump, who decided on how much the military needed.

I don't know if Eisenhower foresaw the 20 trillion dollar deficit that Trump had "inherited." Or if he foresaw an economy crippling pandemic that required several trillion dollars to finance.

And yeah it was the military leadership and military hawks in Congress and the administration that called for the 700 billion dollar budget. McCain asked for Congress and the White House to work "expeditiously" on a budget agreement that secures the increased $700 billion for the military following years of spending cuts. He also said "After nearly a decade of asking our troops to do more with less, we hope this agreement will allow the military to begin to rebuild and ensure that process can continue into next year," and Jim Mattis pressed for a sweeping budget deal that would realize a long-sought Pentagon goal of lifting the caps on defense spending under the sequester process.

The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius
“I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously."
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[Pete F.]

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius
“I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously."
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So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

The only people I've heard trying to make them into ammunition are Trumplicans

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The only people I've heard trying to make them into ammunition are Trumplicans

I've heard a lot of people on the right and left say that those wars were not justified, were even illegal, were America interfering in other people's business, America trying to nation build, the ClA and the pentagon lying or justifying their requests for money, immoral, and all kind of street protests against them, as well as condemnations from our major medias as well as from politicians, especially from the left.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I've heard a lot of people on the right and left say that those wars were not justified, were even illegal, were America interfering in other people's business, America trying to nation build, the ClA and the pentagon lying or justifying their requests for money, immoral, and all kind of street protests against them, as well as condemnations from our major medias as well as from politicians, especially from the left.

Old news

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

The comment was made about the generals, not the POTUS. You know the "f*ck*ng generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals.”

Those guys.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Old news

History is always old news. I responded to your "The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius“ 'I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously.' " History shows your Armed Services statement is highly questionable and that there is some merit to what Trump said.


Biden's son served in Iraq

What's that got to do with the veracity of your Armed Services statement. Biden's other son was discharged from the navy because of his cocaine use. Is that significant of Biden's character or view of the military, or qualification to be President?

My only real concern about Biden is that as President he will be a Progressive tool.

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.

Yeah, well he had bone spurs and Joe Biden had asthma so neither served. In this election, I don't care about that. Use it as some political tool to defeat Trump since for you defeating him is your political casus belli, your election sine qua non. For me it is not about him or Biden. My "casus" and "sine" is defeating, for the moment, the Progressive destruction of our constitutional order . . . what's left of it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The comment was made about the generals, not the POTUS. You know the "f*ck*ng generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals.”

Those guys.

Yeah, well Pete's Armed Services statement was made by those guys. And the Iraq and Viet Nam wars, in the eyes of many, belie that statement.

[spence]

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

I wouldn't be surprised that if out of the blue one just conveniently popped up.

[Pete F.]

Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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You forgot to add, because it was making Trump angry.

[detbuch]

Ahhh . . . another whistleblower complaint released by Adam Schiff. Probably good to wait before passing judgment.

[Pete F.]

Trump telling Woodward that Kim Jong un shared a graphic description of Kim murdering his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun makes me think NK had a dossier on Trump and knew his sadistic kinks.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Justice dept seeks to defend Trump defamation case

Not sure if this fits. But its way away from past practice and 1 step closer to the justice department completely under his control

Apparently, it's "not particularly unusual" :

"Yes, that's the so-called Westfall statue, which says that if someone is an employee of the executive branch or the legislative, and they are sued for a state tort that occurred in the course of them working for the government - of their duties for the government - then they can have it certified to be moved to federal court, and the United States is then substituted as the party," Barr said.

"This is done frequently. It's been done for presidents. It's been done for congressmen. The normal process was followed in this particular case you're talking about.":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...it/ar-BB18SdRn''

[Pete F.]

No, no more than his lies about the Mueller report
Tweety has to provide a DNA sample by the fifteenth of this month.
Odd that you wouldn’t be willing to do that and prove your innocence, what he’s doing is like taking the Fifth.
The Carroll case was at a delicate moment for the president when the Justice Department intervened. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers had tried to put the lawsuit on hold, but a judge ruled last month that it could proceed. That ruling had also seemingly cleared a path for Ms. Carroll’s legal team to pursue its request that Mr. Trump provide a DNA sample to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she was wearing at the time of the encounter.
The department’s motion to take control of the case came as Mr. Trump’s private lawyers were facing a deadline to appeal an order compelling a deposition and a DNA sample.

In portraying the Justice Department’s intervention this week as unremarkable, Mr. Barr did not explain why the administration had waited more than 10 months to step in.

The move to portray the case as centering on an official action by Mr. Trump has drawn scrutiny. A federal judge reviewing whether the intervention was legitimate will have to decide whether Mr. Trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he disparaged Ms. Carroll
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, no more than his lies about the Mueller report
Tweety has to provide a DNA sample by the fifteenth of this month.
Odd that you wouldn’t be willing to do that and prove your innocence, what he’s doing is like taking the Fifth.
The Carroll case was at a delicate moment for the president when the Justice Department intervened. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers had tried to put the lawsuit on hold, but a judge ruled last month that it could proceed. That ruling had also seemingly cleared a path for Ms. Carroll’s legal team to pursue its request that Mr. Trump provide a DNA sample to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she was wearing at the time of the encounter.
The department’s motion to take control of the case came as Mr. Trump’s private lawyers were facing a deadline to appeal an order compelling a deposition and a DNA sample.

In portraying the Justice Department’s intervention this week as unremarkable, Mr. Barr did not explain why the administration had waited more than 10 months to step in.

The move to portray the case as centering on an official action by Mr. Trump has drawn scrutiny. A federal judge reviewing whether the intervention was legitimate will have to decide whether Mr. Trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he disparaged Ms. Carroll
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Oh, so a judge has to decide, but you already know. Typical.

[Pete F.]

Just another Barr coverup

Kaplan’s legal briefs in Carroll’s case made sure to specify that Trump was being sued only in his personal capacity, not for any conduct he might have committed as president.

Kaplan’s briefs also point out that Trump, while president, has brought several high-profile lawsuits in his personal capacity, including his suit against the New York district attorney’s office, Trump v. Vance, which the Supreme Court decided against Trump this past July.
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[Pete F.]

Trying to construe the president’s self-serving words about a purely private matter as official acts conflates the person of the president with the nation’s government. That is what occurs in dictatorships, not democracies. President Bill Clinton paid for his own lawyers when he defended himself in the Paula Jones lawsuit. The Justice Department should not now be helping Mr. Trump wriggle out of responsibility for his own words in a private matter.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trying to construe the president’s self-serving words about a purely private matter as official acts conflates the person of the president with the nation’s government. That is what occurs in dictatorships, not democracies. President Bill Clinton paid for his own lawyers when he defended himself in the Paula Jones lawsuit. The Justice Department should not now be helping Mr. Trump wriggle out of responsibility for his own words in a private matter.
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So you know more than the Attorney General. OK.

[Pete F.]

Lock him up, that shouldn’t bother you since it was Tweety’s previous campaign slogan
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

oooh...and a "bombshell" too...

[Pete F.]

Woodward screwed Trump so hard yesterday that Michael Cohen sent him a check for $130k
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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Originally Posted by detbuch

Ahhh . . . another whistleblower complaint released by Adam Schiff. Probably good to wait before passing judgment.

Breaking BREAKING #Whistleblower
@CBSNews has obtained DHS response to Chairman Schiff
@HouseIntel
includes Whistleblower complaint from former Acting Under Secretary for Intelligence & Analysis Brian Murphy. WHY IT MATTERS: DHS tells house committee emails between Murphy + his colleagues are in” direct contradiction to Mr Murphy's claims" KEY SECTION: Pg 2 “In this production, you will find an email from Mr. Murphy to other Department employees on July 25, 2020, stating: ‘The acting secretary has never given me any direction on what to do Regarding [sic] threats
Catherine Herridge
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Sep 14
The same applies to the acting deputy secretary.’ This email, which is in direct contradiction to Mr. Murphy’s claims in the OIG Complaint, is part of a longerthread ...and is being provided for further context + as responsive” to Committee’s request in Portland Investigation.”

The department stands by the acting secretary's satement from last week that any accusations that DHS is improperly holding or delaying intelligence for political considerations is false.

[Pete F.]

Imagine: Had he been truthful & honestly leveled with the American public, framed a total lockdown, social distancing & mandatory mask wearing as patriotic, he could have crushed the pandemic, saved countless lives & would now be cruising to an historic landslide.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Imagine: Had he been truthful & honestly leveled with the American public, framed a total lockdown, social distancing & mandatory mask wearing as patriotic, he could have crushed the pandemic, saved countless lives & would now be cruising to an historic landslide.

You do like to conjecture. Those things you mentioned have not crushed the pandemic in other countries. There is a worldwide surge of it.