Herring poll

[cheferson]

DO you guys get your herring pre-spawn, post spawn or dont care? Anyone here work at a printer that could print up some sighns for the herring runs, explaining the reasons why its better to get post spawn fish, and maybe some other info.

[bassmaster]

die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cheferson]

Drop dead!!!!!!!!

[bassmaster]

B4 U piss and moan, its a joke
http://striped-bass.com/vbulletin/sh...threadid=11044
herring make Me nuts

[JohnR]

Only try to take post spawn. There is a little gray area but intentially just drop outs

[Nebe]

is this one?

[cheferson]

BM not pissng and moaning, just didnt get it, was playin. Still dont get it though.

[Nebe]

chef watch....it drives him wild.

[bassmaster]

Eben,
Your making Me mental with them Things
May You go to a herring run and Your net has a hole in it
then when You come back there all gone.

[cheferson]

What do you guys think about posting some sighns around the runs educating people of the benefits of waiting to take the post spawn fish? Any suggestions on what would be good info to put on the sighns, dates when most of the herring are returning, how to tell if theyre going back down stream??

[JohnR]

Unfortunatelt, DEM might consider it littering if you post "unofficial" signs at the runs. Maybe get the signs into tackle shops instead? With some kind of buy-in from the tackle owners?

[cheferson]

True john , ill contact the dem first about the sighns, im sure theyd be all for it. What kind of info do you guys think would be good on there. Something about how collecting them post spawn will help increase their numbers down the road, tips on dates and how to tell when most are returning down stream. Can you guys think of anything else?

[cheferson]

??????????

[bloocrab]

I care about CATCHING BASS....sorry, "pre-spawn, post spawn" don't measure up to much IMO. I fully understand that netting post spawn herring is better for the herring pop., but I'll grab them NO MATTER which direction they're heading. One should worry more about the "picklers and cat-food" companies instead of the average fisherman out to have a fun night of fishing. I just can't se myself being so much of a conservationist that I'm not able to enjoy what I do. I know one saved herring can produce 100's...but compare those 12-15 herring that I'm going to take to the 10s of thousands that get vacuumed???....APPLES & ORANGES imo.

Scenario: I'm at a herring run, I stand there for 3 hours only to watch herring swim up into the run...I do not see any coming out. While standing there, I'm picturing those big ships...funnelling in ALL those post,pre...however they can get them, HERRING. ...Like I said, I'll take them any which way you can.

[redcrbbr]

there are signs at a few runs in RI already.

like bloo has said, " ., but I'll grab them NO MATTER which direction they're heading. One should worry more about the "picklers and cat-food" companies" Most places have days when you can't harvest believe it is sunday, tuesdays and thursdays in most places. The way i see it i'm helping out by grabbing the ones that can't read

[striprman]

If the bass are hitting, and I'm at the run to get my herring alotment, which I paid for, and the herring are not dropping back, but are running upstream, I will net the pre spawn in order to get bait. If the run is slow and all I can capture is dropbacks, then I will get them instead. It all depends on whats happenning at the run when I'm standing there, net in hand, anticipating that I'll even be able to net a few to begin with.

[bloocrab]

Striprman...

Is there a preferred way to net herring?....and if so...what is it?

[bloocrab]

How do you get them into the net?

[bloocrab]

Striprman...

How do you get them out of the net without losing any scales?

[bloocrab]

Striprman.....Can you use chum to lure them into the net?

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
Striprman...

Is there a preferred way to net herring?....and if so...what is it?

I prefer to net them when they are at the herring run, thick, so that 1 scoop will fill the net. I don't like waiting 4 hours to get a half dozen drop backs with 20 other guys flailing the water, trying to do the same .

[bloocrab]

I prefer to net them when they are at the herring run, thick, so that 1 scoop will fill the net

"Thick"....but doesn't that only happen during Pre-Spawn?...and doesn't that knock alot of the scales off the herring ("fill the net")? Will the Bass still chase the herring if they have no scales on them? I thought that was the reason the Bass liked herring, because of all the scales? I'm confused now.

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
How do you get them into the net?

I usually use a scooping motion, but sometimes, if they are dropbacks, I let them swim into the net themselves. The net must be in the water, open hoop facing in the direction of the fish.

If the fish are swimming "upstream", sometimes I scoop them using a "frontal" attack, somtimes I use a "rear" attack.

If the fish are "dropping back", I usually let them swim into the net without causing to much commotion, so they wont be scared and swim upstream again.

[bloocrab]

Can you please describe a "rear attack"? In full detail.....

I've heard of this approach being used in the Provincetown runs, but never really understood it.

Thanx

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
Striprman...

How do you get them out of the net without losing any scales?

If the herring remain wet, and don't become entangled in the mesh of the net (I prefer using a net that has a mesh that is smaller than the herrings head so the fish don't get stuck in the
mesh of the net)then scale loss can be kept to a minimum.

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
Striprman.....Can you use chum to lure them into the net?

Chum is not necessary. I might use them as chum (by cutting them into small pieces) when trying to capture a striper using a rod and reel technique.

[redcrbbr]

i never thought about using a net to catch them...I bet you stay alot dryer that way.

What kind of net do you use? a baseball net?

[bloocrab]

If the herring remain wet

Redcrbbr mentioned staying dryer,,,,should I dry off the herring after I net them?? Does this work better? Does it help the scales stay on longer? I find that when I use my hair-net from Burger King, and catch them one at a time...I don't lose any scales....it's just tuff to catch them that way and everyone laughs at me...

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
"Thick"....but doesn't that only happen during Pre-Spawn?...and doesn't that knock alot of the scales off the herring ("fill the net")? Will the Bass still chase the herring if they have no scales on them? I thought that was the reason the Bass liked herring, because of all the scales? I'm confused now.

I have found, through field testing, that a striped bass (or bluefish) will strike both dead and live herring, as well as "chunks" of dead herring with scales both intact, partially intact, or dislodged. If the herring has scales intact, and is live (or dead), or if the "chunk" has scales intact, or dislodged, a striped bass (or bluefish) may or may not strike the presented bait. If the presented bait has scales intact, in may enhance the fish to strike due to its instinctive "strike" reflex. I will have to study this more.
I have caught some stripers in the 40 inch range with herring having sections of the body showing dislodged scales.

[striprman]

Originally posted by bloocrab
Can you please describe a "rear attack"? In full detail.....

I've heard of this approach being used in the Provincetown runs, but never really understood it.

Thanx

I have never netted herring in Provincetown.
Maybe you should go to Provincetown and make an observation.
Please report back your findings.