Hamas

[Skip N]

Hamas should be wiped off the planet. They are a terroist organization who's only goal is to destroy Isreal. They don't care about peace. They don't want to live along side Isreal in peace. They want Isreali's dead just like the wacko from Iran does. I can't in my wildest dreams understand why anyone would show sympathy for such disgusting human beings and try to some how justify murdering inoccents. I for one will not show any sympathy for a group who teaches thier children its ok to strap on a bomb and walk into a crowded mall. It's like showing sympathy for Al Queida or the Taliban. They are all the same and make me sick. %$%$%$%$ Hamas. I hope they all rot in hell.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JoeP

ZacS-

I know but I think what I said is what Skip means.

Amen brother

[Skip N]

yeah they just want whats best for thier children....

[Skip N]

And those damn Isreali's have way to much Middle Eastern Land...

[Skip N]

[spence]

Usually at this point of this conversation I ask if the proposed solution in genocide of the Palestinian people.

Is that you're solution?

-spence

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Nebe

what blows my mind is that 80% of americans have no idea that the country of Israel is only 50 years old. If everyone here knew that 50 years ago millions of pallestinians were kicked out of thier homes and forced into giant refugee camps like in the gaza strip, i think our people would understad what Hammas stands for and why they are blowing them selves up in jewish settlements.

you gotta hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision.

Kicked out by who? Not the Jews, it was their fellow arabs who told them to get out of the way so they could destroy Israel. They didn't and Israel didn't let them back in. And who kept them in those refugee camps for the last 50 years? Arab governements, who refused to let them integrate into their countries. Jordan has more of the land from "palistine" than Israel does, and yet most of the Palistinians are still in refugee camps. It's been a PR coup for the arabs, who have a large part of the world blaming Israel for the "palistinian problem" when it was realy all created by the arabs themselves.

[chris L]

Originally Posted by Nebe

what blows my mind is that 80% of americans have no idea that the country of Israel is only 50 years old. If everyone here knew that 50 years ago millions of pallestinians were kicked out of thier homes and forced into giant refugee camps like in the gaza strip, i think our people would understad what Hammas stands for and why they are blowing them selves up in jewish settlements.

you gotta hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision.

HERE HERE jolly good eben . you hit the nail on the head and so did spence .

[BigFish]

They said on the morning news with Hamas now in power....the chance of peace in the mid-east has no chance.........like it had a chance before???

[afterhours]

how can anyone have any compassion or respect for these animals who intentionally target civilian populace with suicide bombers? my hope is that these hammas creatins see allah......very soon. oh yeah, and what mmike said.

[Navy Chief]

By all accounts, the election of Hamas was orderly and well executed. Let's please remember the fact that Yassar Arafat was the leader of the PLO. He was the Osama bin Laden of his time and later became a welcome visitor to the White House.

Just because we don't agree with someones point of view on certain issues doesn't mean that they don't want the same things that we want. I know that Hamas stated goal is the destruction of Israel (so was the PLO's). The fact remains that all people want to live according to their beliefs and be able to raise their families.

The only way there will be peace in this region is the establishment of a Palestinian state. The Israeli's will never give up Jeruselem and that will always be a point of contention. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to happen, so this is a neverending story.

Tolerance is required and there is none in that part of the world.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

yeah they just want whats best for thier children....

Great Website you got this stuff from.... Explains a lot

[RIJIMMY]

Nice Chef, well said.

[Nebe]

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups.

[spence]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

It's been a PR coup for the arabs, who have a large part of the world blaming Israel for the "palistinian problem" when it was realy all created by the arabs themselves.

Mike, I think you're forgetting the small part about the UN partition in 1947 done against the wishes of every Arab nation!

While I agree the surrounding Arab states could and should have done much more to help Palestinian suffering over the years, the fact is the UN displaced three quarters of a million people...promised to help them and did little to nothing.

-spence

[Navy Chief]

Originally Posted by Nebe

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??

Nebe

I've always been here. I just don't post much.

Undercover operations where very successful and will resume in the spring.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

kinda like what happened to our country a few years ago.

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Navy Chief

. The fact remains that all people want to live according to their beliefs and be able to raise their families.
.

.................................................. .................................................. .

seems to me that there's a bit to much focus on beliefs and not enough on living.
.................................................. ..................................................
a little off topic but...after watching a documetary on the huge military base in IRAQ thats outsourced to run it by kbr corp. it's astonishing.
it will be interesting to see what happens when battlebots come into the picture....ON THE GROUND... as we have them in the air now...

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

It was a joke...

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Great Website you got this stuff from.... Explains a lot

maybe you can learn something there...why not be open minded like you liberals always tell me to be? Oh wait, open minded meens I must must respect your views, It doesnt meen you must respect mine....

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by afterhours

how can anyone have any compassion or respect for these animals who intentionally target civilian populace with suicide bombers? my hope is that these hammas creatins see allah......very soon. oh yeah, and what mmike said.

Excactlly....how people don't ge that is beyond me

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups.

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.

[Swimmer]

Very few Indians are getting rich in Ct. from the casino revenue. Very few.

[Skip N]

Nebe when will you give up your land? your so passianate about the Isrealis giving up thiers to the Palestianians, When will you return your land to the Indians? How can you sleep at night knowing you are on stolen land? A little double standad here maybe....

[spence]

I wouldn't compare Skip's website with Nazisim.

SesameStreet.com would be more appropriate

And nobody is showing "sympathy" for Hamas and terrorisim there Skip. The issue is a bit more complicated than that...

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

maybe you can learn something there...why not be open minded like you liberals always tell me to be? Oh wait, open minded meens I must must respect your views, It doesnt meen you must respect mine....

I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me.

Unlike someone who commented on a film that was posted and said ...

Originally Posted by Skip N

Well i can't open the link in the opening post but i'm sure its more of the usual Nebe anti Bush/ anti war on terror %$%$%$%$.

and

Originally Posted by Skip N

Sounds like one of those Micheal Moore type Documentarys that the liberals wack off too cause its all anti Bush/anti war on terror.

and

Originally Posted by Skip N

Im talking about the BBC in general not the Documentary. And the links dont work so i cant see it. One would assume if its put out by the BBC thier same leftist agenda will dominate the Doc.

and didn't even watch it. At least I formed my opinion by actually looking at the material.


and I apologize for the "explains a lot" comment, That was uncalled for on my part.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

and I apologize for the "explains a lot" comment, That was uncalled for on my part.

Perhaps it was uncalled for...but in your defense you were right

Sorry Skip

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

SesameStreet.com would be more appropriate

-spence

[Skip N]

"I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me."

Good and at least you didnt go to the Nazi card like Nebe. And if i could open that link and whenever that bbc program is aired i will watch it. I have a feeling i might be throwing stuff at the TV but i'll watch it

[spence]

If you have broadband you can right-click the links and save the files locally...assuming you have the drive space.

Don't go into it assuming you're going to hate it, keep your mind open...if you don't believe something is presented accurately do a little homework and get more info.

I think there are some good counter arguments for how some issues are presented, but I'd agree with most of the main themes...I've also read many non-liberal authors would would probably agree.

-spence