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View Poll Results: Closed season on stripers.
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Closed season Dec 1st-April 15th
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No closed season
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11-21-2014, 09:24 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sturbridge MA
Posts: 3,127
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Closed season for stripers?
What do you guys think about a closed season for stripers? My buddies and i were talking about it the other day and was wondering your opinion on it. The holdover fishery, not so much in mass but CT and RI gets quite a bit of pressure. Going after schoolies while slightly entertaining cant be that good for the fish especially in places where they get pounded daily.
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Everything is better on the rocks.
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11-21-2014, 09:31 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Newport, RI
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i dont think chasing the ocassonal holdover will effect the overall fishery. Just MO
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11-21-2014, 10:47 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marshfield, Ma
Posts: 2,150
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Do holdovers outside of Chesapeake and Hudson even spawn?? Not sure of the answer on that...
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11-21-2014, 11:03 AM
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D'oh
Join Date: May 2004
Location: RI
Posts: 3,296
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscator
Do holdovers outside of Chesapeake and Hudson even spawn?? Not sure of the answer on that...
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Why wouldn't they?? |
i bent my wookie
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11-21-2014, 12:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hyde Park, MA
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Now will this closed season be for EVERYONE or just a certain group, region or states?
To be truly effective it would have to be industry wide, from Canada to the Keys and west to Texas (depending on whether the gulf striper populations are in the same dire condition).
To make this be ultimately successful you will also need a closed season for all fishing within XX miles of shore. That means no nets, no draggers, no fishing whatsoever, or you won't be making much of a difference in the long haul.
Since this year sucked for me, I already had a "closed season", imposed by nature herself.
Fortunately I had a very good freshwater season, even with the low water conditions.
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11-21-2014, 12:02 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marshfield, Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs
Why wouldn't they??
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Maybe they do, I don't know.
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"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
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11-21-2014, 01:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sturbridge MA
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[QUOTE=FishermanTim;1057002]Now will this closed season be for EVERYONE or just a certain group, region or states?
I would like to see it done state by state. The more the merrier. Maybe it wouldn't have much of an impact on the overall picture but i am sure it wouldn't hurt.
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Everything is better on the rocks.
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11-21-2014, 01:42 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Warwick RI,02889
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never work , the time period varies state by state ........ what your calling our holdover fishery is V & NC big season
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ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE !!!
MIKE
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11-21-2014, 01:57 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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NY has had a closed season for bass for years. Possibly since the end of the moratorium. You were allowed C&R fishing, though, during the closed season.
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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11-21-2014, 02:17 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs
Why wouldn't they??
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I don't know the reason either but perhaps the conditions aren't there for spawning. I live near a river they holdover but it is not as wide open and calm like where the SB spawn in the Hudson.
I think with a closed season you can still target them just not keep them, correct? |
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11-21-2014, 02:41 PM
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Pete K.
Join Date: Jun 2007
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How many keepers are actually being landed during these frigid warmer months up north? would it even matter? (or by "closed season" do you mean catch and release is banned too, so no "targeting" of bass is allowed?)
The real question would be should there be a closed season during their spawning months... like april may... now thats a question
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11-21-2014, 02:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: marshfield
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscator
Do holdovers outside of Chesapeake and Hudson even spawn?? Not sure of the answer on that...
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ive caught baby stripers in bait traps on MV and in scituate. like 5 inches long |
my 1st wife didn't like me fishing so much
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11-21-2014, 02:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Gansett
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Won't make a difference if the boats off NC don't oblige. At that time of year anyway.
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11-21-2014, 02:48 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marshfield, Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by niko
ive caught baby stripers in bait traps on MV and in scituate. like 5 inches long
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Paul, are those the ones you were telling me about last year that taste really good in the frying pan?
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11-21-2014, 02:57 PM
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Location: marshfield
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they make good fluke bait
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my 1st wife didn't like me fishing so much
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11-21-2014, 04:28 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
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Sorry Occifer... I'm fishing for white perch
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11-21-2014, 04:35 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs
Why wouldn't they??
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Because they are generally immature, plus not every mature striper spawns every year. Even if they did spawn the conditions in the holdover locations would probably mean a zero survival rating for the eggs. |
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11-21-2014, 04:39 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanputski
The real question would be should there be a closed season during their spawning months... like april may... now thats a question
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There is in the spawning areas of the Chesapeak Bay tributaries. |
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11-21-2014, 04:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FishermanTim
To be truly effective it would have to be industry wide, from Canada to the Keys and west to Texas (depending on whether the gulf striper populations are in the same dire condition).
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Why? the Chesapeake stock is the only stock that migrates any significant distance. |
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11-21-2014, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: CT/RI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoMike
Why? the Chesapeake stock is the only stock that migrates any significant distance.
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Can you point to any studies or information that shows that the Hudson fish don't travel far from the river? You've mentioned that before and I'm surprised by it an would like to learn more. |
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11-21-2014, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by niko
they make good fluke bait
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11-21-2014, 06:41 PM
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Shortest pole ever! must have been ran by the Dems when they had the desired results they closed it.
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11-22-2014, 06:19 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamskippy
Shortest pole ever! must have been ran by the Dems when they had the desired results they closed it.
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Skippy has the shortest pole ever? You Irish too? Nahh, democrats wouldn't have a poll 
I have no doubt that stripers spawn north of the Hudson, I have caught the tiny 3" bass before shad & micro schoolie fishing. Whether those other spawns have a significant impact is debatable. |
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11-22-2014, 08:56 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JLH
Can you point to any studies or information that shows that the Hudson fish don't travel far from the river? You've mentioned that before and I'm surprised by it an would like to learn more.
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Google this "Species Profiles: Life Histories and
Environmental Requirements of Coastal Fishes
and lnvertebrates (Mid-Atlantic)
STRIPED BASS" I have the pdf version on my computer, but its on the web somewhere.
From Page 9 :"A recently documented tagging
study (McLaren et al. 1981) on the
Hudson River indicated that most
adult fish remained all year within 50
km (31 mi) of tagging sites. Most
fish that moved out of the Long Island
Sound area moved northeastward. The
most northerly recapture area over 2
years of study was Provincetown,
Massachusetts. In contrast to what
has been reported f o r Chesapeake Bay
striped bass, no dependence on age,
size, or sex was found f o r the migratory
segment of the Hudson River
population. Evidence indicated that
the Hudson River population was most
likely self-perpetuating and self-contained
within the river and immediate
surrounding coastal area. Little evidence
existed for mingling of Chesapeake
and Hudson stocks, either d u r -
ing migrations or within overwintering
populations (McLaren et al. 1981)."
Last edited by MakoMike; 11-22-2014 at 09:05 AM..
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11-22-2014, 09:06 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sturbridge MA
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lol, the poll is closed? Im a rookie at using this site after all these years. When i posted the poll i wasn't thinking about reducing peoples take on keepers as i know its mostly schooies that are caught. I was more thinking about the mortality of C&R of the schoolies. When i was at a CT river a couple years ago during the holdover fishery i saw a number of them floating towards the sound. Seeing people spike a rod with sandworms so they can catch 12" long fish doesn't sit right with me.
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Everything is better on the rocks.
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11-22-2014, 12:17 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: guilford CT
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I think they could EASILY pick out certain areas holdovers are known to spend the winter and apply closures to reduce the stress on those "captives"....
the rivers in CT are prime examples
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11-22-2014, 01:22 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: A village some where
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
Skippy has the shortest pole ever? You Irish too? Nahh, democrats wouldn't have a poll
I have caught the tiny 3" bass |
Congrats on the new PB JR |
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11-22-2014, 01:40 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler
lol, the poll is closed? Im a rookie at using this site after all these years. When i posted the poll i wasn't thinking about reducing peoples take on keepers as i know its mostly schooies that are caught. I was more thinking about the mortality of C&R of the schoolies. When i was at a CT river a couple years ago during the holdover fishery i saw a number of them floating towards the sound. Seeing people spike a rod with sandworms so they can catch 12" long fish doesn't sit right with me.
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Neither do I Rob. That's why I stopped the Thames River BS 5 years ago. |
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11-23-2014, 05:16 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2004
Location: CT/RI
Posts: 1,627
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoMike
Google this "Species Profiles: Life Histories and
Environmental Requirements of Coastal Fishes
and lnvertebrates (Mid-Atlantic)
STRIPED BASS" I have the pdf version on my computer, but its on the web somewhere.
From Page 9 :"A recently documented tagging
study (McLaren et al. 1981) on the
Hudson River indicated that most
adult fish remained all year within 50
km (31 mi) of tagging sites. Most
fish that moved out of the Long Island
Sound area moved northeastward. The
most northerly recapture area over 2
years of study was Provincetown,
Massachusetts. In contrast to what
has been reported f o r Chesapeake Bay
striped bass, no dependence on age,
size, or sex was found f o r the migratory
segment of the Hudson River
population. Evidence indicated that
the Hudson River population was most
likely self-perpetuating and self-contained
within the river and immediate
surrounding coastal area. Little evidence
existed for mingling of Chesapeake
and Hudson stocks, either d u r -
ing migrations or within overwintering
populations (McLaren et al. 1981)."
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