Pats

[nightfighter]

Skippy, maybe you should redirect your search for a new home OUTSIDE of Patriot nation's general boundaries... You might get a lot more for your double wide buck in east bum Missouri..... Starting to enjoy the game here!

[rphud]

couldn't resist

Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out ?
Well, the party was nice, the party was pumpin'
Yippie yi yo
And everybody havin' a ball
Yippie yi yo
I tell the fellas start the name callin'
Yippie yi yo
And the girls respond to the call
I heard a woman shout out
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Skippy, maybe you should redirect your search for a new home OUTSIDE of Patriot nation's general boundaries... You might get a lot more for your double wide buck in east bum Missouri..... Starting to enjoy the game here!

You kidding me how could i leave all this.. Beside i will alWays have the internet to remind pats fans how ill guided they are and that the kraft koolaid is ruining their brains.

Just more fun knowing i am right in epicenter of the fail.
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[rphud]

nice tat.....and hair

[beamie]

I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,

[rphud]

Somebody needs to test the pressure drop due to the temp change. Not sure if the balls are kept warm or not though.

Here is some faulty MIT math....guy isn't smart enough to consider the balls likely to be somewhat elastic and so the volume is not constant. Likely acts like a volumetric spring to maintain some of the pressure. Nice try though.....for a homer.

A Massachusetts Institute of Technology postdoctoral associate, who asked not to be identified, agreed with Naughton’s calculations and even sent the Herald a formula that predicted a change of 1.78 psi by halftime if the balls were filled at room temperature. The temperature on the Gillette Stadium field at kickoff was about 45 degrees.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/p...tball_pressure

[rphud]

Nevermind gage R&R (repeatability and reproducibility). One can only hope some of the official NFL investigation is technical unless they want to end up being the fools. A technical explanation will likely sound pretty hollow to the rest of the world Pats haters though, and make the NFL look pretty foolish for not going there first. I would like to see it though, just to rub the media's face in it for what they have made this into.

I suppose they could always screw up the test design too, and just make a bigger mess.

[Cool Beans]

Lets all just take it on ourselves to go to any sporting goods store and pick up 2 footballs and inflate one to 10.5 and the other to 12.5... I bet you cannot "grip" it in one hand and tell the difference

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by beamie

I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,

My theory as well.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by beamie

I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,

Exactly! And it happens and has been happening every football game the NFL has played and Indianapolis knows it
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[thefishingfreak]

http://youtu.be/6M4t5m8dk5I
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[5/0]

Originally Posted by rphud

Nevermind gage R&R (repeatability and reproducibility). One can only hope some of the official NFL investigation is technical unless they want to end up being the fools. A technical explanation will likely sound pretty hollow to the rest of the world Pats haters though, and make the NFL look pretty foolish for not going there first. I would like to see it though, just to rub the media's face in it for what they have made this into.

I suppose they could always screw up the test design too, and just make a bigger mess.

At -15° the psi would of dropped only 1.5 psi,but good thinking thou.
I was at the game when the pats played the Titans back 03 and at that point it was the coldest game ever played in NE history.
The game opening drive by Brady he aired out a bomb (40) yrds to Bethal Johnson for a TD.

With the way Sippy is spuing and if we all had sailboats he could blow us all the way to the Azores and the we could do some swordfish fishing.


Two words for ya skippy.


SUCK IT!



Hahahahahahaha!
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[Sea Dangles]

Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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Royals Suck, Pete Rose is the best ball player of all times.

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Finally a former QB with some class.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...low%3Afacebook

I've found the remarks by Aikman and others to be so irresponsible and disrespectful they shouldn't be earning millions still just to talk about football.

[Slipknot]

my ball is not that deflated

[Redsoxticket]

road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

[buckman]

Ha !!!! Knew it
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[Mike P]

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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[Cool Beans]

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl

It's all about Seattle.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl

It's all about Seattle.

Spectacular press conference by The Coach

He got the monkey off the teams back a little, showed he went to bat for them, showed that the Pats are taking this seriously and above all, he put a lot of pressure on the NFL to prove them - the Pats - wrong. That was going on offense.

[Clogston29]

Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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[hq2]

road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

Did a simple ideal gas law calculation (PV=nRT). As shown by another guy up above, you need for the field temperature to be around
10 below zero to get pressures in the range of 1.5 psi lower, assuming the balls were inflated at room temperature. The game
temperature was around 45 degrees. At that temperature, there should have been less than .5 psi difference. Sorry, Bill, no way the
atmospheric temperature makes that kind of a difference.

[MAKAI]

I get a kick out of ( the integrity of the game crap )
Being a weight lifting gym rat for 40 plus years, no one can convince me that most of this league is not on some form of PED.
We wouldn't watch it if they weren't. We wouldn't want to watch normal people play pro football. We want bigger, faster and more violent. It's analogous to pro wrestling. Most of these guys can't get to look the way they do without a little help from chemistry and the wizardry of masking ability.
Deflated balls ? Give it a rest. You want integrity test these guys like the Olympics and just try to stay ahead of the money.
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[Swimmer]

Makai, look at those guys, only about one in five is cut enough to say they have muscles. The off. and def. Lines are just meat, tendon strength. Linebackers and running backs are a different story
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[Clogston29]

You're kidding about 1/5 having muscle, right?

Ideal gas law does not apply. Atmospheric air is nowhere close to an ideal gas. Need to account for humidity and condensation due to temp change. Also ball is elastic so volume is not constant. Sighting ideal gas law is overly simplistic.
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[MAKAI]

Cutting up for strength and speed is one thing. Having the ability to bench 450 and up is a totally different approach to have mass and power. Plenty of really big guys at my gym take all kinds of crap and not all look the body builder part. Some of these guys are stupid strong !
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[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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x2 on most of this.

these guys are too way smart to come out guns smoking at the nfl if they thought the league had anything solid.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it

So it wasn't just me thinking this....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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Never trust a lawyer . What a waste of non profit dollars
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