Rhode Island Charter Boat limit 1 or 2 fish

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

a bit tongue in cheek as it is the user group that all of this is about and the one that is seemingly absent in body and voice from the debate....that's the first attempt I've seen to quantify them...so we should keep a two fish bag limit for 225-250 trips a year so that approx. 2% who won't fish without the knowledge that they can keep two fish can have their fish?....and complicate the entire process....makes perfect sense....again...if it's so vitally important to this user group....it would be good to actually hear from them>>> I suspect many of the don't even know the discussions are going on

225 to 250 a year ????? You just make #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

225 to 250 a year ????? You just make #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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just going by what Linesider82 stated..give me a number Buck.........why don't you produce 1 client who won't charter if they can't have 2 bass..that's the guy we're looking for and maybe he can explain why we're going through all of this nonsense so that he can keep his second fish....

[Linesider82]

Originally Posted by buckman

225 to 250 a year ????? You just make #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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no, those are actual numbers they run mostly 2 trips per day, and during the height of the year run 3
30 x 2 = 60 trips per month, times 4 = 240

So if you have days like a Monday or Tuesday where you didn't run 2 trips, you run 3 on weekends and make up for it. The math is not that difficult

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

just going by what Linesider82 stated..give me a number Buck.........why don't you produce 1 client who won't charter if they can't have 2 bass..that's the guy we're looking for and maybe he can explain why we're going through all of this nonsense so that he can keep his second fish....

We book maybe 15 to 20 .
At 1 @ 28 we will book half I figure . Cod is another story . Last year we booked 25 or so
This year 0
Would you pay 1200 dollars , drive up from jersey with your buddies , book a room , spend a couple hundred dining out , use up some valuable vaca time knowing you could only take home a couple fillets ?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

We book maybe 15 to 20 .
At 1 @ 28 we will book half I figure . Cod is another story . Last year we booked 25 or so
This year 0
Would you pay 1200 dollars , drive up from jersey with your buddies , book a room , spend a couple hundred dining out , use up some valuable vaca time knowing you could only take home a couple fillets ?
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if i spent 1200 doing all of that the last thing i'd give a crap about is a couple fillets...you assume the fillets are the deal breaker for these folks, i give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they enjoy the whole trip

[Linesider82]

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

I agree and it better be a weekend long trip..
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[striperswiper75]

It seems the charter captains in CT now support the 1@28" concept.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

Good to see you agree with me.
And let's not forget, if you cant catch a 1000 pound tuna every trip you either suck or there's not enough thousand pound tuna in the ocean
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[ivanputski]

Truly a ridiculous debate to be having...

lets keep Rhode Island regulations so as to be more inviting for a van full of jersey guys, and meat fishermen (who derive little pleasure from the act of fishing and are in it for the fillets) will keep coming to Rhode island...maybe we can have a new state slogan to help drive business:
"FISH RHODE ISLAND: The oasis of striped bass meat, surrounded by a desert of 1-fish common sense states"

Again... its clear as crystal to see... charter captains (at least from what I gather in this thread) don't care about how much meat their clients are going home with, just how much money they themselves are going home with. That seems to be the reoccurring argument.
If a van full of guys stay in Jersey... good.
If a guy who doesnt enjoy fishing enough to even bother going if
he cant keep enough meat stays home... Oh well.

Why keep fighting so hard to protect the ability to kill 2 fish for guys with the least interest in the striped bass fishery? Oh yeah... we're not... the fight is
to protect income for charters, regardless of what it does to the population.

This is getting really old.

[MAKAI]

Originally Posted by buckman

We book maybe 15 to 20 .
At 1 @ 28 we will book half I figure . Cod is another story . Last year we booked 25 or so
This year 0
Would you pay 1200 dollars , drive up from jersey with your buddies , book a room , spend a couple hundred dining out , use up some valuable vaca time knowing you could only take home a couple fillets ?
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Nope !
I'd head south.
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[Sundowner]

Originally Posted by buckman

Good to see you agree with me.
And let's not forget, if you cant catch a 1000 pound tuna every trip you either suck or there's not enough thousand pound tuna in the ocean
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We are not talking about tuna.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

Truly a ridiculous debate to be having...

lets keep Rhode Island regulations so as to be more inviting for a van full of jersey guys, and meat fishermen (who derive little pleasure from the act of fishing and are in it for the fillets) will keep coming to Rhode island...maybe we can have a new state slogan to help drive business:
"FISH RHODE ISLAND: The oasis of striped bass meat, surrounded by a desert of 1-fish common sense states"

Again... its clear as crystal to see... charter captains (at least from what I gather in this thread) don't care about how much meat their clients are going home with, just how much money they themselves are going home with. That seems to be the reoccurring argument.
If a van full of guys stay in Jersey... good.
If a guy who doesnt enjoy fishing enough to even bother going if
he cant keep enough meat stays home... Oh well.

Why keep fighting so hard to protect the ability to kill 2 fish for guys with the least interest in the striped bass fishery? Oh yeah... we're not... the fight is
to protect income for charters, regardless of what it does to the population.

This is getting really old.

I'm done too. If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. ( flipped your BS there ) There is a whole economy that surrounds these boats.
The selfish ones want the fish to be " game fish status "
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[PaulS]

I'm a selfish 1.

[Linesider82]

"Game Fish Status" is seriously misunderstood.

As a game fish, striped bass would not be commercially fished and not sold in restaurants.

Recreational anglers including charters would still be able to fish for and KEEP striped bass. Game Fish Status only removes commercial fishermen from the equation.

To the commercial fishermen's credit, they are documenting every single bass caught and have remained at a flat-lined level of harvest for quite some time.

In regards to the economy surrounding striped bass, yes there is an entire vertical economy that does not center around any single contingent of fishermen. Commercial boats pay for slips, gas, maintainance, create jobs, and supply restaurants / markets with a food commodity. For-Hires offer people the opportunity to go fishing and experience the ocean and the fish without having to own or lug around any fishing gear. The average recreational angler is hands-down the largest factor in the fishing economy, they own boats just like charter capts. do, but there are a lot more of them... then you think of the lowly shore anglers... with their rod, reel and plug bag, and at the surface yes they don't appear to spend much money. Then you go to their house and realize their garage or basements are nearly complete tackle shops. I'm not trying to say that every angler spends un-godly amounts of money on fishing, but I am trying to say that every component of those that make up this fishery, comm, rec, for-hire, make up equal parts. So to give one segment special treatment because their business model is to kill two fish, I sorry but that is absurd.

[ivanputski]

"If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. "

Im not worried about "mass amounts every trip" as you stated.

The concern comes from giving hundreds of charter boats, making many trips per season, the option to keep double the fish. The end result of hundreds of charter boats keeping double = mass amounts over the course of a season

little things, done consistently, over time, have the greatest effect when seeking lasting change.
That holds true for anything in life... weight loss, diets, rebuilding a fish population, or contributing to the reduction of it.

[JLH]

Originally Posted by scottw

has anyone actually seen or talked to one of these mythical clients who won't go fishing if they can't kill 2 bass....they are sure talked about quite a bit and causing quite a fuss, hell, we're working pretty hard to make special exceptions just for them... but I don't believe ever I've seen one weigh in on the subject anywhere....starting to wonder if they really exist

Some RI Charter boats take out groups with mass commercial fishing licenses who will then turn around and sell the fish commercially in mass which pays for the trip and on a good day provides some extra cash for the group of anglers. It's a win win for the Charter boat who gets paid for the charter and for the guys with commercial licenses who get a free trip and some pocket money out of it.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by JLH

Some RI Charter boats take out groups with mass commercial fishing licenses who will then turn around and sell the fish commercially in mass which pays for the trip and on a good day provides some extra cash for the group of anglers. It's a win win for the Charter boat who gets paid for the charter and for the guys with commercial licenses who get a free trip and some pocket money out of it.

I believe that would be illegal. Commercial fishing in RI with the expressed purpose of selling those fish in Mass.

[ivanputski]

So is speeding, or texting while driving...

but many play the odds, especially when profitable to do so.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

So is speeding, or texting while driving...

but many play the odds, especially when profitable to do so.

True, but while government is known to look the other way when convenient, doesn't make it right.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by buckman

Would you pay 1200 dollars , drive up from jersey with your buddies , book a room , spend a couple hundred dining out , use up some valuable vaca time knowing you could only take home a couple fillets ?
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NJ (and NY) already have adopted a two fish limit for all anglers.

[JLH]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I believe that would be illegal. Commercial fishing in RI with the expressed purpose of selling those fish in Mass.

Yes it is illegal but with little or no chance of getting caught it happens quite often. I would wager that a good number of the fish caught and kept in RI waters off of Block end up being sold commercially or on the black market in MA or NY.

[big jay]

I'm sure there is a person or two who catches fish in RI and trucks them to mass to sell (obviously illegal), but the idea that anyone with a mass commercial license pays to charter a RI boat to bring fish back to sell is absolutely ludicrous.
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[JLH]

Originally Posted by big jay

I'm sure there is a person or two who catches fish in RI and trucks them to mass to sell (obviously illegal), but the idea that anyone with a mass commercial license pays to charter a RI boat to bring fish back to sell is absolutely ludicrous.
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Why is it ludicrous? Even if they aren't making much money at it its going to pay for the trip and who wouldn't want to be able to go fishing for free? What's the commercial value of 300+ pounds of bass compared to the price of a charter?

A complaint I hear often is that most "commercial" fisherman aren't really making a living at it they just use it to pay for boat, slip, gas etc... No difference with this scenario and whether you want to believe it or not it happens.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by big jay

I'm sure there is a person or two who catches fish in RI and trucks them to mass to sell (obviously illegal)
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Thinking it is 1 or 2 is absolutely ludicrous... check the state tags of the trucks at Great Island bridge when Comm season is open in MA...

[Bill L]

The RISAA survey results were in favor of 1fish, and they have sent a letter reversing their position
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Bill L

The RISAA survey results were in favor of 1fish, and they have sent a letter reversing their position
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Of course they did, they just wanted to look like heros.....
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Thinking it is 1 or 2 is absolutely ludicrous... check the state tags of the trucks at Great Island bridge when Comm season is open in MA...

Or they blast over from Westport.

Some block island charter boats witnessed some guys who were pretty much living on their boat on block island and were fishing SW ledge every day that the mass comm season was open and had a runner boat come and pick up their mass limit and sell it in mass. Poaching to the extreme.
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[big jay]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Thinking it is 1 or 2 is absolutely ludicrous... check the state tags of the trucks at Great Island bridge when Comm season is open in MA...

No sh*t Bryan.

I was being facetious.
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Or they blast over from Westport.

Some block island charter boats witnessed some guys who were pretty much living on their boat on block island and were fishing SW ledge every day that the mass comm season was open and had a runner boat come and pick up their mass limit and sell it in mass. Poaching to the extreme.
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This validates my point of the EPA putting a boat out there.
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