More gaslighting

[wdmso]

Claim: US President Donald Trump and other Republicans say the rules for complaints made by whistleblowers were changed shortly before an anonymous whistleblower raised concerns about the president's phone call with the leader of Ukraine.

Verdict: The regulations governing whistleblower complaints have not changed. The wording of the form that whistleblowers use to raise concerns was already under review, and was changed after the whistleblower made the complaint about President Trump's phone call.

And how that changes anything i have no idea

[scottw]

oh good, a new vocabulary word

[Got Stripers]

Distraction, deflection, denial, gee wiz who owns that MO?
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[wdmso]

Notice the lack of long winded responses from our Trump defenders. But but bidens son...
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[scottw]

your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point

[Got Stripers]

You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat. I’d bet my savings the house will impeach, that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.
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[Sea Dangles]

Hey doofus, you are the only one here screaming whataboutism.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

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this is a lie

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool.
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you keep repeating this stupidity

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point

It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

[Sea Dangles]

Keep beating the drum Jeff
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird

Yea, it’s just like that
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You guys are so predictable,

So are you guys. Is that bad?

just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

But it's OK for you guys to repeat, repeat, repeat? Is that bad?

I’d bet my savings the house will impeach,

The whole impeachment thing does resemble a crapshoot. Put your money on where the numbers fall.

that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might

Wow . . . it's spineless to hold on to your convictions in the face of a constant media barrage . . .

and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

And, of course, only one side will be nasty. Right.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting

It's amazing that anyone would think that extortion in our political world is disturbing. It goes on all the time. ALL the time. Heck, pols even have to extort the public for votes, in one of the many ways, by promising the voters stuff we can't even afford, and which they shouldn't even if we could.

Oh well . . . I guess it's just a matter of how we extort, er, distort, language. In one instance call something extortion, in another calling it just politics . . . oh wait . . . they are kind of the same thing.

I suppose we could call all foreign agreements extortion in the end. So I would think that "extorting" a foreign power to help clear up corruption would be a good thing.

a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival

I don't think Trump thinks he needs help beating Biden, nor any other of the Dem candidates. I think he is justifiably pissed off at the corrupt attempt to bring him down from the very beginning of his presidency, even before he had a chance to make any policy or "extort" a foreign power. I think he justifiably believes that what was attempted to do to him strongly indicates that there is a corrupt, politically driven agenda in the chasms of our political system and those running it. And whether out of vengeance, or presidential duty, or both, he feels that embedded corruption must be exposed and eradicated. And a lot of us feel the same way. That's why there are the Horowitz, and Durham, and DOJ investigations going on now. And what you call "extortion" is a request to get help in those investigations from foreign powers who may have direct evidence of that corruption. And he has the legitimate power to do so, whatever negative label you wish to attach to it.

and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same.

This is laughable. He is doing to China what no other President has come close to doing. China has become our biggest global threat because our past administrations stood aside and let it happen, before our eyes. It raped us and is expanding that rape globally. And we let it happen.

So now we're concerned about its threat?!! And Trump is the only one actually trying to do something about it at this 11th hour?

Trump is legally asking for assistance in corruption investigations in which China has related information. It is obligated by agreement to provide that help.

Of course, China does not live up to agreements or obligations. So it may well not cooperate and just wait it out hoping Trump will not get re-elected so the tariff stuff will go away and it can get back to its unimpeded march to global dominance.

Or maybe China thinks it's being "extorted," So it may cooperate in hopes that it will help to abate the trade war.

If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.

I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperately. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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That’s pretty much what he said!
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent

Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open
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you don’t have to make it up, you do have to over react hysterically.
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[scottw]

I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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wait till he wins again...Oh Boy!

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

I did say a response wasn’t needed, heard it all before, but you love to pontificate!
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[spence]

Trump is losing it today
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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With punctuation like this I find it extremely unlikely that you served on a school board. More lies or exaggerations is my guess.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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you can never be too summie

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

you can never be too summie

As if we needed that proof.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you can never be too summie

You need to be mindful to keep it in check though, you don’t want your friends and family to suffer from your addition
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