Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if it’s an open carry state ( i don’t know if it is), then seeing a guy with a gun isn’t cause to fear for your
life. not unless he was threatening them.
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Oh please you open carry an Ar 15 or ak 47 or any other long arm to just walk down the street or at Walmart your a tool a wannabe ... it's that simple.

if you pop in for gas on your way to the range that's normal ...

I know jim walking around with a long gun is benign ,, he was just their exercising his Rights ,

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I saw the reporter from the dallycaller on tucker Carlson funny Tucker never told his audience that he was the guys BOSS? And he wasn't to clear what happened until he watched the film .. saying I didn't know I was that close. being in the moment and watching it are not they same .


Jim that's what lawyers get paid to do present their clients in the best light.. seems you and the specialists are taking what they are says as the only actual facts

The videos only show 1 part of the overall event , you forget there are eye witnesses
And other evidence none of us have seen

I still dont understand if you pick a fight and you get scared or start loosing said fight

Then it becomes self defense ... so jim are you suggesting there are 3 separate self defense claims .. or do all 3 shooting s = 1 self defense claim

Could you please show me either a news story, video, or a witness statement, saying that Kyle Rittenhouse either started a fight, or was the aggressor?

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Gee let me just ask a stupid question, if you go into a highly volatile situation like that armed with an AR or for that matter any long rifle, aren’t you putting yourself into harms way and asking for trouble. I still don’t condone these f*ck heads playing right into a Trumps campaign playbook buy destroying property, but if you go looking for trouble your probably going to find it.

SO let me ask you this, if you break into someones house and they shoot you, do you value their stuff more than your life? I mean you inserted yourself into that situation , right?

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by wdmso

so protesters or rioters. cant reasonably have a reason to fear for their life in that moment. From a guy with a Gun. Because they may or may not be breaking the law. And the guy with the gun was there to bring order so hes cool?.

So a normal person should be in fear of the rioters/ protestors, carrying bats, bottles, bricks, batons, knives, etc, what is your point?

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Could you please show me either a news story, video, or a witness statement, saying that Kyle Rittenhouse either started a fight, or was the aggressor?

Read the charging document. Note he's also been charged for possession of a weapon by someone UNDER EIGHTEEN.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...74cde9.pdf.pdf

Looks like he was pointing the gun at people so they tried to disarm him then all hell broke loose. Nothing like the presence of firearms to help escalate tense situations.

[detbuch]

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist View Post
Could you please show me either a news story, video, or a witness statement, saying that Kyle Rittenhouse either started a fight, or was the aggressor?

Originally Posted by spence

Read the charging document. Note he's also been charged for possession of a weapon by someone UNDER EIGHTEEN.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...74cde9.pdf.pdf

The charging document doesn't indicate "that Kyle Rittenhouse either started a fight, or was the aggressor?" as TheSpecialist asked. The charge indicates that others confronted or chased or threatened Rittenhouse before Kyle responded.

Looks like he was pointing the gun at people so they tried to disarm him then all hell broke loose. Nothing like the presence of firearms to help escalate tense situations.

The charge doesn't indicate that the hell broke loose because Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at people. The only time it recounts Kyle pointing his gun is when he raised it to shoot Rosenbaum who was chasing him. And that was after Kyle's first shot was into the ground.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The charge doesn't indicate that the hell broke loose because Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at people. The only time it recounts Kyle pointing his gun is when he raised it to shoot Rosenbaum who was chasing him. And that was after Kyle's first shot was into the ground.

I didn't say definitively, it sounds like there was an exchange of some words and the first person killed felt threatened so they tried to scare the defendant off then try and disarm them. It's a crappy situation but one that wouldn't have happened had the defendant been illegally armed.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSpecialist View Post
Could you please show me either a news story, video, or a witness statement, saying that Kyle Rittenhouse either started a fight, or was the aggressor?



The charge doesn't indicate that the hell broke loose because Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at people. The only time it recounts Kyle pointing his gun is when he raised it to shoot Rosenbaum who was chasing him. And that was after Kyle's first shot was into the ground.

Exactly, another emotional response from the left....

Not only was Rosenbaum chasing him, he was on video earlier threatening to take someone's gun from them. He them later chases Rittenhouse and tries to disarm him for no reason at all. Corroberated by an unbiased witness, Rosenbaum reach for and grabbed the gun

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't say definitively, it sounds like there was an exchange of some words and the first person killed felt threatened so they tried to scare the defendant off then try and disarm them. It's a crappy situation but one that wouldn't have happened had the defendant been illegally armed.

Lets say you and your significant other are walking down the street after dinner on the town. Someone starts a verbal altercation with you, you guys keep moving on, but that person chases after you, he assaults you or your SO, are you in the right to defend yourself?

[Pete F.]

Just some more vigilantes looking fo their moment of fame

Disaster narrowly averted; for now: Blue Lives Matter supporters arrested with slew of firearms outside Kenosha after police received tip about possible shooting, DOJ says
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[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Lets say you and your significant other are walking down the street after dinner on the town. Someone starts a verbal altercation with you, you guys keep moving on, but that person chases after you, he assaults you or your SO, are you in the right to defend yourself?

Different situations. It will be interesting if any new video comes out or people have credible testimony that shines some light on exactly how this got started. Kid screwed up big time and now two people are dead. Not sure if his self defense argument is going to hold, especially when the possession of the weapon is illegal. It's not like he was just walking down the street with his SO after dinner.

[scottw]

spence has a soft spot for criminals and terrorists...lot's of 17 year olds have been beating the $hi^ out of innocent citizens for months and not a word from these fools...this kid was cleaning the graffiti off the local high school earlier that day...the "concerned citizens" that spence claims were just trying to disarm him were(chasing him down and attacking him), at least two of them convicted felons and prior to chasing the kid and his group were smashing the windows of and setting cars on fire in the car lot across the street...you know, what the left refers to as "peaceful protest" these days....he surrendered to police and wasn't arrested that night they went to his house the next day....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Different situations. It will be interesting if any new video comes out or people have credible testimony that shines some light on exactly how this got started. Kid screwed up big time and now two people are dead. Not sure if his self defense argument is going to hold, especially when the possession of the weapon is illegal. It's not like he was just walking down the street with his SO after dinner.

we've seen innocent citizens viciously attacked by the mob just walking down the street over the last several months...

again...if you attack someone, you deserve whatever happens to you...if you attack someone with a gun...you are an idiot and you are probably going to get shot...if you assault a police officer...you are probably going to get shot....there is a simple lesson here...

there is no evidence that the kid went after anyone....I don't think he should have been there but I don't think the rioters should have been there burning down the place either

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

there is no evidence that the kid went after anyone....I don't think he should have been there but I don't think the rioters should have been there burning down the place either

Interviewees have stated he was yelling at people and pointing his weapon at them. There are other reports of verbal threats to shoot protesters. I don't condone the vandalism but it's really not the responsibility of the wannabe militia to take matters into their own hands. Deescalate and have a serious discussion and the protests will peter out. Unfortunately this isn't possible under Trump and it's only going to get worse as he keeps cheering them on and stirring the culture war pot.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Interviewees have stated he was yelling at people and pointing his weapon at them. There are other reports of verbal threats to shoot protesters. I don't condone the vandalism but it's really not the responsibility of the wannabe militia to take matters into their own hands. Deescalate and have a serious discussion and the protests will peter out. Unfortunately this isn't possible under Trump and it's only going to get worse as he keeps cheering them on and stirring the culture war pot.

who did they interview?...the rioting members of " the People's Revolution Movement"?

they have no interest in deescalation or they wouldn't be out there destroying stuff in the first place...you can't be this stupid


idiot democrat mayors and governors have refused to protect law abiding citizens and their property...it's not vandalism it's terrorism...the left has been begging for a culture war and they are going to get it

[Pete F.]

Tweety has no interest in descalating the conflict
As claimed by Kellyanne Conway, this conflict is to Tweety’s advantage
Luckily Americans are not that gullible
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tweety has no interest in descalating the conflict
As claimed by Kellyanne Conway, this conflict is to Tweety’s advantage
Luckily Americans are not that gullible
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Do you want him to deescalate the conflict?

[Pete F.]

American leaders have always stood together to denounce overreaches by people inside and outside the United States
Tweety has failed to do that on numerous occasions
He’s the person elected that was never imagined by the founding fathers
And he’s your hero
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

American leaders have always stood together to denounce overreaches by people inside and outside the United States
Tweety has failed to do that on numerous occasions
He’s the person elected that was never imagined by the founding fathers
And he’s your hero

Who are you responding to with this gibberish?

[Pete F.]

A “Loser” is someone who supported Trump in 2016. A “Sucker” is someone who still does.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A “Loser” is someone who supported Trump in 2016. A “Sucker” is someone who still does.
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Trump won in 2016. And your posts suck.