nancy pelosi inside closed hair salon without a mask

[Pete F.]

The most anti-environmental president in our lifetime declares himself an environmentalist. Just like the most lawless president in our lifetimes preaches 'law & order.' He's simply the most hypocritical president in our lifetime.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Really that’s the first time you noticed this thread, like almost every thread ever started in this forum for years, strayed from the initial theme?

Nope. Not the first time I've noticed. Mentioned it
several times before.

Hey since I know you love promoting Trump doing a bang up job,

Nope. Don't promote Trump. Your tin ears may prevent you from hearing that I constantly say, for me, it's not about Trump.

like falsely “promising” a vaccine ahead of the election, only to have the CEO’s of all pharmaceutical companies signing a letter saying hold the phone that isn’t so. Astra Zeneca has already had to pause its trial due some adverse reactions. So is he doing a good job by that statement or as anyone with a brain can deduce, using it for purely political gains. By doing so he also might put concern about how safe a vaccine is when one finally comes out. The list of personal interest only comments he has made as it relates to this Covid crisis is a long embarrassing one, which I’m certain you can break out some blue to dispute.

I'm not going to dispute what someone promises. Actually, all the discussions about the competence or lack thereof in handling covid are too politically oriented for me to care about. There is still a limited amount of things we know and can do. That has pretty much been handled, as far as I can see, as well as they can by our "experts"--"can" existing within political and medical disputations and oppositions. That "clown show" has been apparent on all "sides" for an objective point of view to take seriously. Believe in whatever clowns you wish.

[Pete F.]

Places around the world that used masks consistently have had half to two-thirds less Covid spread. Imagine how many deaths could have been prevented in the US if the federal government had focused on masks rather than hydroxychloroquine.

One way to make sure our COVID-19 crisis doesn't look quite so bad compared to the rest of the world is to destroy all USAID COVID-19 health programs overseas, offering no assistance to poorer countries.
Yes, it's happening. Inadequate political & economic action to address COVID-19 impact will lead to greater instability in fragile countries.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm not going to dispute what someone promises. Actually, all the discussions about the competence or lack thereof in handling covid are too politically oriented for me to care about. There is still a limited amount of things we know and can do. That has pretty much been handled, as far as I can see, as well as they can by our "experts"--"can" existing within political and medical disputations and oppositions. That "clown show" has been apparent on all "sides" for an objective point of view to take seriously. Believe in whatever clowns you wish.

It's obvious what clown you believe in

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said.

[Pete F.]

In case you want to claim it's fake news

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's obvious what clown you believe in

The clown I believe in is the U.S. Constitution.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The clown I believe in is the U.S. Constitution.

You spend a lot of time defending Tweety, why you probably think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize, that would be like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a James Beard Award.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You spend a lot of time defending Tweety, why you probably think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize, that would be like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a James Beard Award.
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I spend a lot of time countering or debunking your attacks on Trump, which you spend a lot of time doing. I am not defending Trump because I think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize (BTW, I have no admiration for that politicized "prize"). Trump happens to be the candidate running against the Progressive tool. Pure and simple, that's the reason I "defend" Trump.

Not sure, but if I keep reminding you of that, maybe you might finally realize it. It does seem strange that you seem to prefer to see lies that are repeated over and over as the truth, but when I tell you the truth of what my motivation is over and over, you treat it as if it were a lie and to be ignored.

[Pete F.]

Here’s the truth
During his campaign he lied about having no Russian deals
He lied about releasing his taxes
He lied about pornstar payoffs
He lied about Ukraine
He lied about coordinating with Russia on his campaign
He lied about the dangers of COVID-19 and when he knew
Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die, economy destroyed and people fighting in the streets
And you’re happy with the job he’s done and want more of the same.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s the truth
During his campaign he lied about having no Russian deals
He lied about releasing his taxes
He lied about pornstar payoffs
He lied about Ukraine
He lied about coordinating with Russia on his campaign
He lied about the dangers of COVID-19 and when he knew
Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die, economy destroyed and people fighting in the streets
And you’re happy with the job he’s done and want more of the same.
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That's not the truth. But Trump has told many lies. So has Biden. So have you.

I'm not "happy" with the erosion of our constitutional order and our ongoing evolution into an unconstitutional administrative state.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That's not the truth. But Trump has told many lies. So has Biden. So have you.

I'm not "happy" with the erosion of our constitutional order and our ongoing evolution into an unconstitutional administrative state.

WHAT you don’t believe accusations about Trump, OMG I’m going to have to question life as I know it?

[Pete F.]

I don’t think a true stable genius of a president would grant 18 interviews to the guy who took down Nixon.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don’t think a true stable genius of a president would grant 18 interviews to the guy who took down Nixon.
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He probably knew the book was coming and figured he was smart enough to charm the pants off of Woodward. He's a fool.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

He probably knew the book was coming and figured he was smart enough to charm the pants off of Woodward. He's a fool.

Yes, he's a fool. He talks to most anyone who wants to interview him, and even tells them the truth. Biden is the smart one. He talks to a select few. And robotically repeats Dem talking points. Biden is the real deal smart leader. We can trust him to really know and do the best thing.

Well . . . sort of . . . he can be trusted to be the tool of Progressive ideology . . . unless all of a sudden the Press and public opinion becomes anti-Progressive. Then he will follow right along.

[Pete F.]

In Nov. 2019, at a NATO officers’ briefing on Russian subversion, a slide was shown. The text is below.

You can review it carefully.

As Putin’s employee, Trump is marking these “consistent Russian aims” off his checklist 1 by 1.

His time is limited, the damage, malignant.

Case Study: The United States
Consistent Russian aims

Reduce US role in providing European Security
Weaken Transatlantic links
Undermine faith in US security commitments
Weaken US intelligence community
Challenge and undermine Western liberal values
Erode US world leadership and global respect
Weaken US society; undermine social cohesion
Show the US as enemy of Islam
Establish post-truth, post-fact information space
Discredit independent media
See Russia treated as (equal) partner
Reach a grand bargain to ensure stability

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In Nov. 2019, at a NATO officers’ briefing on Russian subversion, a slide was shown. The text is below.

You can review it carefully.

As Putin’s employee, Trump is marking these “consistent Russian aims” off his checklist 1 by 1.

His time is limited, the damage, malignant.

Case Study: The United States
Consistent Russian aims

Reduce US role in providing European Security

Don't know what is meant by that "role" nor if it has been reduced so much as Trump insisting that Europeans take more responsibility for their "role." I sincerely doubt that Russia would like to see Europe strengthen its own security. A strong investment in Europe's own security could well be more of a threat to Russia than Europe mostly depending on us.

Weaken Transatlantic links

Insisting on a stronger defensive and offensive capability in Europe may weaken Europe's dependence on the US. But the U.S. bond with Europe against Russian aggression is still there.


Undermine faith in US security commitments

Strengthing our own military and insisting that Europe do the same is a commitment to mutual security, not an undermining of it.

Weaken US intelligence community

The intelligence community seems to be pretty strong. The greatest damage to it has been self-inflicted by some of the intel players attempting to remove a duly elected President.

Challenge and undermine Western liberal values

The Progressive agenda in concert with various Post Modern radical groups and objectives (i.e. critical race theory, Marxist BLM founders, violent ANTIFA, and the continuing Progressive attack on the Constitution which is our legal foundation based on those Western liberal values) are challenging and undermining Western liberal values. The Communist Party USA, which is antithetical to Western liberal values, supports, and is point by point in agreement with, the Progressive, Marxist, groups in our country.

Erode US world leadership and global respect

Other countries taking more of a role in leadership would actually be beneficial to the U.S. And not so beneficial to Russia.

Weaken US society; undermine social cohesion

Weakening the power of the individual and transferring that power to the state weakens US society. Our leftist agendas, including Progressive, does exactly that. The social cohesion of sovereign individuals willing to abide by and defend their founding principals is the strongest form of social cohesion. Coerced and enforced compliance of citizens to the roles and rights specified and created and allowed by the state is the most tenuous form of social cohesion, and is not cohesion so much as programmed compliance. Progressive theory of unlimited government precisely generates that sort of compliance, and is symmetrical to the societal "cohesion" in a Communist state.


Show the US as enemy of Islam

Trump has been an enemy of "radical" Islam. He has not shown the US to be and enemy of Islam per se. He has just helped to produce a peace treaty between Israel and the (Islamic) United Arab Emirates. He's been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Establish post-truth, post-fact information space

Not sure what that is, but it sounds a lot like what most politicians do.

Discredit independent media

Trump has discredited FAKE news. I would think NATO officers would be OK with that.

See Russia treated as (equal) partner

Equal partner in what. Is Russia supposed to be sub equal in every respect?

Reach a grand bargain to ensure stability

Wow. That really sounds horrible. A bargain to ensure stability. DEPENDS ON THE BARGAIN (what is it and has it been reached?)

Now compare the Communist Party USA's agenda and platforms to the Democrat party's agenda and platform.