Stock Market Blues

[Got Stripers]

Tariff talk tanks the market AGAIN, I'm grumpy and don't like loosing money, but too young (relatively speaking) to start to think about not having some money invested in stocks.

[Nebe]

Its almost like this market crash was pre meditated. Hmmmm.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Its almost like this market crash was pre meditated. Hmmmm.
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Stock market manipulation, gee wiz who could engineer such a thing?

[Nebe]

I have no idea. Really… ita like there must be someone who can manipulate world events to create uncertainty. Wish I knew …
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[Hookedagain]

Regardless of why...this is painful

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Hookedagain

Regardless of why...this is painful

I guess if you a millionaire or bazillionaire loosing 15-25K is like loosing a penny, not the same for the average American, especially us old retired farts on a limited income.

[PaulS]

Very painful week or so.

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I generally don’t pay much attention to market fluctuations, what’s more concerning is a period of stagflation combined with a global recession which is now a real likelihood. Tarrifs will increase inflation and decrease corporate spending leading to more unemployed who can’t afford to buy chickens let alone eggs.

[Nebe]

Its almost like this was all planned.

Kind of like Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction”. Yeah right
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[PaulS]

It wasn't planned.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It wasn't planned.

I agree. As an old veteran I still believe in the Constitution and in the "Republic" 2 people will not bring us down.

I think people need to thing more in the "gestalt" mode. We will get through this.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by piemma

I agree. As an old veteran I still believe in the Constitution and in the "Republic" 2 people will not bring us down.

I think people need to thing more in the "gestalt" mode. We will get through this.

Can’t wait for my course to open the end of next week, rather bitch about a crappy round than watching this dumb arse trade war take the economy in a bad direction.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It wasn't planned.

You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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Originally Posted by Nebe

You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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Sewing chaos was absolutely the plan. I do think that POTUS though has such an infantile knowledge of economics he really thinks he can bully the global economy into submission. Pay careful attention to their attack on the fundamentals of the legal system, it’s the one bulwark to this mess before midterms and they’re trying to destroy it and invalidate all future elections…comrade.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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No, He's undisciplined and is too dumb to recognize the impact of the things he says. I'm not gonna say anything else to comply with John's no politics request.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

Sewing chaos was absolutely the plan. I do think that POTUS though has such an infantile knowledge of economics he really thinks he can bully the global economy into submission. Pay careful attention to their attack on the fundamentals of the legal system, it’s the one bulwark to this mess before midterms and they’re trying to destroy it and invalidate all future elections…comrade.

Does almost gutting the integrity and fraud departments and Patel requesting a direct line to potus suggest a theme and the DOJ and FBI, the stage is set.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Does almost gutting the integrity and fraud departments and Patel requesting a direct line to potus suggest a theme and the DOJ and FBI, the stage is set.

It’s a lot, lot, worse than even that. They are not only going after government employees who were following legal instructions, now it’s open season on lawyers and law firms that represented democratic clients.

If an attorney is given a case it’s not a question of ethics to represent their client or not. They simply want the entire system paralyzed to function. For good or bad the US legal system sets us apart and is a critical institution. Without it we are no better then Russia, oh wait, that’s what they want.

[wdmso]

Have a few friends who just retired. They have deferred compensation plans .and most were in aggressive positions.. and now have lost 10s if not hundreds of thousands of dollars . Which took decades to achieve

Gone overnight. And for what end?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Have a few friends who just retired. They have deferred compensation plans .and most were in aggressive positions.. and now have lost 10s if not hundreds of thousands of dollars . Which took decades to achieve

Gone overnight. And for what end?

It goes quick, I lost more than I make in social security yearly income, but being pretty healthy I still need to keep investing in the market. Musk thankfully lost billions, but luckily for him our president was kind enough to put on an adverting effort for Tesla, nice to have other rich friends to help in your time of need.

[Nebe]

I know you guys know this but you only truly loose it if you sell. Its best to sit tight and add to it to average down as it goes down. It will come back. It always does. I think 9 out of the past 11 recessions happened under a republican leadership. How about that?? 😵#^&💫
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers

It goes quick, I lost more than I make in social security yearly income,

Oh they’re coming for that next

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Originally Posted by Nebe

I know you guys know this but you only truly loose it if you sell. It’s best to sit tight and add to it to average down as it goes down. It will come back. It always does.
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Sure it “always” does, but that doesn’t help someone already retired or within 15 years of retirement. Especially if you’re in your mid-fifties or older who hopefully has been shifting equities to bonds or cash.

But, and this is a huge but, I’m concerned the old system simply doesn’t work under what could be new rules. Where will bond rates go if the dollar tanks? Will US corporations flee if they don’t believe they can trust the US legal system to protect their intellectual property, or outspend their competitors with a corrupt pay for play Whitehouse?

The looming cuts to Medicaid are going to drive everybody's insurance rates up, and the tax cuts mostly targeting the top 1% will further suck wealth from middle and upper middle class taxpayers who fund a much larger % of SS per dollar they earn.

The stupidity and recklessness of all this is mind bending. Under no circumstances do you try and manipulate so many variables in a system at one time. It’s why your doctors rarely change multiple medications at once. It’s why manufacturers wait until greenfield product launches to significantly redesign go to market strategies.

That this is being rammed down our throats by a leader who didn’t even get 50% of the vote, who is circumventing the US Constitution at every turn and who is working undermine or outright destroy the institutions that make America exceptional, an unbiased legal system, a free press, separate but equal branches of government and on and on should scare the hell out of anyone who isn’t already a multi-millionaire.

[JohnR]

This is Political

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Originally Posted by JohnR

This is Political

Nah, it’s simply a constructive discussion around economics and prudent personal finance decisions.

Sadly everything looks like “politics” when you’re trying to eliminate it. No different that DEI, CRT etc…

[piemma]

i have been buying silver for 15 years, Happy, Happy. I have a few pounds I bought at $16/oz. $34.08 Friday. Also have been buying gold.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Nah, it’s simply a constructive discussion around economics and prudent personal finance decisions.

Sadly everything looks like “politics” when you’re trying to eliminate it. No different that DEI, CRT etc…

DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political



OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?

[piemma]

Originally Posted by JohnR

DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political



OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?

Oh, who gives a #^&#^&#^&#^&. If you guys paid attention while you were working, you should have put a way a nuff to live comfortable. We are fine but I still work because I like toys. Laugh at me I don't care.

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Originally Posted by JohnR

DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political

I’d think it’s more accurate to say they were politicized. Not sure how whitewashing critical achievements of the Code Talkers is a good idea, perhaps that fairy should be cancelled. “We have thousands of such cashes.”

OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?

P/E is usually an individual company metric but whatever, I have people who make those decisions for me.

Seems like a recession was anticipated after Biden’s first year on. He largely avoided it because of investments in growth and Joe took the political heat for the Fed doing their job keeping rates high long enough to break the inflationary cycle. Post-Covid inflation was a global problem but the US fared better than every other large Western nation. Sure, the stimulus could have been tapered off a little faster, but the reality is he left the overall economy in remarkable shape. I’d say the only real weak spot — as voters pointed out — was that upper incomes were doing most of the spending, offsetting disproportionate inflationary pressure on commodities that outpaced wage gains on everyday workers.

We’ll see what the looming stagflation does to your P/E ratios as investors look for more stable markets. I see with the current trajectory a gigantic economic mess, a lot more debt and perhaps the worst own goal in the history of the United States. If the wealth gap is your measure of progress though we’ll be doing just fine.

[Got Stripers]

March ended with the worst market in two years and the odds of a recession have jumped up to 40%, love to win with tariffs.

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I love how somebody special doesn’t care if the prices of cars go up because consumers will just choose American product. 1) 40% of a domestic car is made from foreign parts and 2) if people stop buying imports how are we going to “make” as much money from tariffs?

Can’t we just go back to bailing out American farmer who can’t sell their rotting grain, you know like the last term?