wrapping over metallics

[tlapinski]

ok, i need some help wrapping over metallics. i always seem to have a some of the shine showing through the overwraps. any tricks to this?

there is nothing more frustrating than ruining three hours of beautiful butt wrap work because the finishing wraps look like a 75 year old blind man did them!

[Roger]

More color preserver is needed to stop the bleed through.
Or you could fake it by making your underwrap starting with metallic and change to your overwrap color and back. Then do your overwrap over the non metallic underwrap thread. (Hope I understood the question correctly.)

[Goose]

I usualy do about 1" 1/4 over wraps on each end. wrap about 1/2" to 3/4", stop the wrap so that your not stopping over alot of threads, bring your thread toward the butt wrap and tape((firm)). Once I've cut as close as I can, I take the end of my scissors and lightly brush the ends then trim again so they can be flaten by the over wrap better. In the case where you have alot of thread in the butt wrap, you get to the end reverse the direction and finish your over wrap on the opposit side(over wrap twice)

I make it complicated

[Billy 40]

NOt sure what your problem is - are there gaps in the thread, does metallix peek out when the epoxy is applied (same thing, just that you couldn't see teh gaps), or can you see the shine of the metallic through the Nylon thread when epoxy is applied?

To fix teh first 2 problems, apply a coat of epoxy before you try wrapping over it. The last one is not a problem, it looks a lot better like that.

[Saltheart]

I also am confused like Billy. Are there simply gaps between the threads?

If you have gaps , try packing your pattern more frquently , like every few threads instead of waiting for the end. Also , apply some color preserver and let it get tacky. do the final packing while the color preserver is tacky and it acts like a glue to tighten up and eliminate spaces between the threads.

Another thing you can do is cheat the spacing a little short. Whenthe spacing is short , the diamonds elongate slightly sideways and that means the threads are less likely to slip away on the outside of the diamonds. You can't cheat a lot or you'll change the look but just a hair on the short side does help the packing.

[tlapinski]

the buttwrap wasn't so much where i was speaking of, but it does occur there too. i only mentioned the butt wrap because i screwed up all the work i put into yesterday's wrap.

what i am referring to is the guide underwraps. for instance, i was looking at some color patterns at M&D's two weeks ago. there was a nice metallic blue underwrap with black overwrap for the guides on a batson. when i looked at the work, i could not see any shine of the inderwraps showing through the overwrap. but, when i attempt the same color combo i see a shine from the metallic thread showing through here and there. now is this just better work by the builder, or should i use black for the underwraps with only the visible parts of the underwrap done metallic? does that clarify a liitle better?

[Billy 40]

T LAp - I see. YOu have to do a better job wrapping. THere are minute gaps in your thread, which only show up when the epoxy magnifies. DON'T use CP on black, that's not gonna help. What you need is a burnishing tool, similar to what Salt suggested or the butt wrap.

Any metal/plastic, smooth, round object will work. THose thing people use for knitting, etc. Just rub it along the wrap when your done (guide wrap, not butt). THis will slafften the threads, move them around to fill any of the 1/10000th of an inch gaps, etc.

As I previously posted, if you are not putting a coat of epoxy on teh underwrap, it will be nearly impossible to eliminate gaps (unless you are using size C or D over size A underwrap).

Hope this heps.

[Goose]

You using motor or turning by hand?

[SeaWolf]

toby, use size 'a' under for met and a larger size nylon over. leave the color preserver where it is - junk. burnish your overwrap well.

[tlapinski]

goose, no motor yet. all work is still done by hand.

SW, i usually go with "A" underwrap with "C" over. i guess i just have spend more time burnishing. thanks.