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vineyardblues · 12-01-2005, 10:41 AM

December 1, 2005

Electricity costs to skyrocket

By DAVID SCHOETZ
STAFF WRITER
BARNSTABLE - The cost of the electricity supply for Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard homeowners will increase by 81 percent starting with December meter readings.

OUCH,,,IN TODAYS PAPER

VB

Karl F · 12-01-2005, 12:05 PM

Bastages, I puked in my cornflakes this am reading that in the paper.
Gonna hafta figger out how to hook the lathe up on the treadmill, PC too.

Maybe I should just raise the price of beer 81 % to cover, heck the insurance tripled, the electrical goes up 81 %, nobody stopped using their services, heck CS should raise his rates 81 % too... funny, big guys do it, we squack, and life goes on somehow, but at the face to face level, go up a few cents, and people take your head off....
thanks for the grumpage VB.. what's next for us to clobber our wallets.....

vineyardblues · 12-01-2005, 12:25 PM

Karl,
I think even CS will start drinking after reading this..
WOW... how can this happen? Call the town manager!
VB

Raven · 12-01-2005, 12:29 PM

MOCK WHALE OIL LAMPS WITH SCENTED OIL...

ONETH BY LAND, TWO -ETH BY SEA.

capesams · 12-01-2005, 12:31 PM

wtf..

oil's goin down hill in price///stinking share holder's

Slipknot · 12-01-2005, 06:56 PM

I'd put up a windmill and sell the electricity back to the damn theives

Raven · 12-01-2005, 07:07 PM

is to install photovoltaic shingles on your roof for the sun season

stripersnipr · 12-01-2005, 07:25 PM

I wonder how much of this is being done to leverage the wind farm project. Expect next to hear how much your rates could down if the wind farm is approved.

Squid kids Dad · 12-01-2005, 07:33 PM

Yup..Can you say WINDFARM

Karl F · 12-01-2005, 09:12 PM

I heard on the radio today it's to "help" them get out of Chapter 11

So, they'll probably drive a few people into chapter 11, helping themselves out of it.... Also, when they do get out of bankruptcy, I bet the rates won't go down.I remember right before they went into chapter 11 the execs voted themselves pay and pension raises, a day before they froze the workers salaries and bennies... yep corporate thieves... I don't think the windmaill factor is too strong, they have already said that the all the proposed windmills alone wouldn't be enough to power the cape and islands, I think it's just greed, plain and simple. NSTAR, Mirant, execs of both, all thieves.

Raven · 12-01-2005, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I wonder how much of this is being done to leverage the wind farm project. Expect next to hear how much your rates could down if the wind farm is approved.

The facility would produce only 450 megawatts of power, a relative pittance compared with total demand.
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it would produce only 1 percent of newenglands demand for power and aside from the fact of creating new habitat for the oceans food chain its not even close for a good return on investment....................dont believe it.

vineyardblues · 12-02-2005, 09:53 AM

I just can not see how they are doing this ? Many older people (not u 2 grumps) are on a budget!
Damm if your electric bill is 100.00 it will now jump to 180.00 ?????
I think I am missing something here? It just can not be right.

Never mind the cost of gas/oil and natural gas to heat your house going up.

Something is very wrong, it just can not jump that high that quick.

VB

Mike P · 12-02-2005, 10:16 AM

Can one of you guys do me a favor? If you have your bill handy, could you post what Nstar is charging per kilowatt hour? I want to compare it with what LIPA is charging me. They've also been hitting us with a "fuel surcharge" since Katrina, even tho oil is cheaper now than right before Katrina.

LIPA is a public agency, supposedly a "not for profit" outfit. It turned into one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on Long Islanders. A full quarter of their employees make over six figures a year

bassmaster · 12-02-2005, 11:38 AM

i cant afford this

Karl F · 12-02-2005, 12:03 PM

Mike.. old rate was 7.132 cents per KW hour, new rate is 12.92 cents per KW hour, effective immediatley....

BM, gonna suck for me too, I'm running around turning everything off now.

vineyardblues · 12-02-2005, 12:25 PM

Hi BM ><>
I can see it now, No X-Mass lights on CapeCod!
And if you fine some that has set some up (next door) plug your lathe into their x-mass lights

and run like hell !
VB

Karl F · 12-02-2005, 12:38 PM

Mike, they add the fuel adjustment charge, and some other vauge charge, and a monthly rental on the meter, to boot....

The Dad Fisherman · 12-02-2005, 01:16 PM

I guess they figure that the Oil companies can increase the price during the Peak Travel times why shouldn't they be able to do it during the peak Electricity usage time.....just in time for all of those Xmas lights

Raven · 12-02-2005, 01:39 PM

a root cellar with an ice box and drain
an outdoor fire pit bbq area
a greenhouse for heat
plus a candle shop

sound like wize inventions.
instead of the old fashioned ways

fishaholic18 · 12-02-2005, 02:14 PM

Time to move f%$#@! south.
Getting rediculous up here!!!!

PNG · 12-02-2005, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl F

I heard on the radio today it's to "help" them get out of Chapter 11

So, they'll probably drive a few people into chapter 11, helping themselves out of it.... Also, when they do get out of bankruptcy, I bet the rates won't go down.I remember right before they went into chapter 11 the execs voted themselves pay and pension raises, a day before they froze the workers salaries and bennies... yep corporate thieves... I don't think the windmaill factor is too strong, they have already said that the all the proposed windmills alone wouldn't be enough to power the cape and islands, I think it's just greed, plain and simple. NSTAR, Mirant, execs of both, all thieves.

Pardon my ignorance but get who out of chapter 11?
I heard it was the Cape Light compact that was raising rates if correct what about Nstar or does it matter?

This friggen blows

Gloucester2 · 12-02-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike P

Can one of you guys do me a favor? If you have your bill handy, could you post what Nstar is charging per kilowatt hour? I want to compare it with what LIPA is charging me. They've also been hitting us with a "fuel surcharge" since Katrina, even tho oil is cheaper now than right before Katrina.

Mike this was over the phone with a not too brilliant wife so if it's wrong - blame her

NStar for Falmouth, MA

Supplier charge per Kwh $ .07132

Delivery: Distribution .04645
Transfer .02677
Transmission .00500
Renewable En. .00050
Conservation .00250

Plus there is a $3.50 "customer charge"

Do ya think they could make this any more complicated?

vineyardblues · 12-02-2005, 05:16 PM

G2 u r 2 funny, let's hope she does not check out s-b

VB

Karl F · 12-02-2005, 05:36 PM

PNG

Mirant.. owns Canal Power Plant, went bankrupt a year or so ago, made a deal with your town for long term reduction in RE tax as part of it.

Gonna check out Green Light Compact, will post when I know details, sounds like if you sign up, they lock you in for 90 days at 8.2 cents per KW hour....
still billed and serviced thru NSTAR, like they do for Mirant.

Slipknot · 12-02-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vineyardblues

Something is very wrong, it just can not jump that high that quick.

VB

well they're doing it ain't they

My town raised our natural gas rate 65% last January

How do you think people felt about that increase in one month?

They just raised bot gas and electric this month

I think I will get those photovoltaic shingles

ProfessorM · 12-02-2005, 08:36 PM

We can't complain too much with the electric Bruce. Even with the increase we are only paying 5.9 cents/kwh. Not bad compared to the Cape. Unfortunately I got Bay State Gas not Middleboro.

Mike P · 12-02-2005, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl F

Mike.. old rate was 7.132 cents per KW hour, new rate is 12.92 cents per KW hour, effective immediatley....

You guys think you have it bad, huh. Here is what we paid per month to a "not for profit" public agency, in October:

"Basic service", 17.9 cents per day for 31 days---$5.55

258KWH @ 12.41 cents per KWH--$32.22

1582 KWH @ 12.88 cents per KWH---$203.76

Fuel surcharge---$78.25

Delivery and supply subtotal--$319.78

Added charges:

PILOTS (whater the eff that is) $6.74

Suffolk County property tax adjustment--$6.42

Sales tax @ 2.5%---$8.32

Other costs subtotal---$21.48

Total bill---$341.26

But they do pre-pay the postage on the envelope you mail them the bill in, so knock 37 cents off that if you pay by mail

Farkin' bastages. Like I said, the biggest scam ever perpetrated on Long Islanders

ProfessorM · 12-03-2005, 12:11 AM

Ouch. My best friend lives in Kings Park and I cannot believe what he pays for Real Estate taxes too.

UserRemoved1 · 12-03-2005, 06:02 AM

I work inside these power plants on a regular basis...I've talked to some of the bigwigs about this..

What you are seeing here is a VERY delayed reaction due to a number of circumstances....here's some info.

For the last several years due to pricing contracts on gas it has been costing more to buy the gas and bring it in than these guys get to produce the electricity. PG&E used to own all these plants up and down the east coast and they went belly up about 5-6 years ago due to this. They sold every plant while in bankruptcy to the new guys and they now have the same problem. Plus the DPU regulates rates...and it's catching up to them now because of the upside down nature they've been in for a while.

ALL of the big plants up here are COAL fired....Basically the "dirty dozen" plants up here....and the majority of the coal mined in this country is going to guess where...CHINA. China is the worlds largest coal mining country and they can't even supply their own economy with it so the US sends a very large majority of what they mine over there to help repay the US debt to China....It costs BIG BIG $$ to bring coal by boat into these plants every week to fuel the boilers...this at the same time the power companies are being absolutely slammed by the EPA to reduce emissions of the nasty by-products of burning coal. Salem Harbors, Brayton Point are two of the worst offenders...and to add these systems to clean the emissions will cost these guys hundreds of millions of dollars... On top of multi million $ cleanups of hazardous materials, spills, etc of stuff that would make your toe-nails curl.

It's a business folks, at some point these guys gotta make money or it's not a business anymore like the last guys found out...

I'M NOT defending these guys but it's easy to see where this is coming from when you understand the dynamics behind it. These plants are some of the DIRTIEST places you would EVER want to go. I have to throw clothes out at times when I get home.

If you guys want to do something contact your senators and reps. Tell them you want this mess cleaned up, tell them you want more subsidies for GREEN fuel. And yes if it means wind or solar then by all means. Tell them you want these plants converted to closed loop systems....We're burning fossil fuels at such a rate that in 10 years or less you'll be looking back at this today and wishing you had rates as low as this...it's only going to get worse.... And it's a world we're giving to our kids...I feel bad for what they're getting when I see stuff like this at the plants

Quote:

Originally Posted by vineyardblues

I just can not see how they are doing this ? Many older people (not u 2 grumps) are on a budget!
Damm if your electric bill is 100.00 it will now jump to 180.00 ?????
I think I am missing something here? It just can not be right.

Never mind the cost of gas/oil and natural gas to heat your house going up.

Something is very wrong, it just can not jump that high that quick.

VB

Karl F · 12-03-2005, 08:15 AM

http://www.capelightcompact.org/doc....,Doc,page.html