Rigged eels & rubber eels, Slug-gos, etc. - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

eelman · 01-31-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vineyardblues

Good reading today

Thanks

Bill quick question on your Cutty eel rigs .
How the LL do you get that hook down the eels mouth so far?

Thanks in advance
VB

It goes in pretty easy acually, I pinch the eel near his head and the mouth opens nice and wide, Thats acually a short shank hook so it gets good and covered.

I dont like the octopus hooks because they are to thin and tear thru the eel to easily and have a longet shank than I like, to me, the Mustad 94150 6/0 is the best eel hook on the market. I sharpen my hooks to a needle point and they are just as sharp as gamis.....

They used to call that hook a "live bait" hook now they call it an "all around" still the same hook.

vineyardblues · 01-31-2006, 02:15 PM

Thanks Bill, "pinch the eel between his ears!" and he opens his mouth!
Just like @^%$&$&^*

lol

VB

Pt.JudeJoe · 01-31-2006, 05:54 PM

Another option is the eel bob.With this you use the back 8 inches of a dead eel and have a 1 oz. lead head on the front.You get the smell and feel of a real eel and can put it where you want in the water ,even on rough nights it will get down where you want it to be. http://tattoostackle.com/eelbob_dz.php
This is a good bit of literature on the eel bob on Tattoo's site , by DZ. These are pics of the eel bob and the Wobble Head swim plates or "tin squids" as they were called in the old days. You rig the second hook in the eel from the loop in the middle of the lure. This hook ,by the way, can point down.

Skitterpop · 02-02-2006, 06:54 AM

I use heavy leaders and my leaders are 12 feet long, I use fluro but not becasue the fsih cant see it, they could care less at night what leader material you are using, I use flouro simply for the abrasion resistance and the overall strength, For years I used ande 60lb mono and still do sometimes... makes no difference in how many fish I hook.

Mono to mono on the leader? Or are you braid to mono/flouro? And you fish conventional so do you advise same leader length for spin fishing ? Probably not with the large barrel to large snap.

Thanks again,
Mike

Skitterpop · 02-02-2006, 07:16 AM

on the hooks somewhere you said you used big siwash then another the Mustad 94150 which is a O`Shaughnessy ringed bronzed extra short shank hook

Just trying to get stuff together for the new season and appreciate your info.

I think Steve M said he liked Gami all around and Octopus but you say no?

~~~~~~~ Honey I need about $200.00 for Slug-Gos, a variety of hooks, dacron,super glue, and yes those are eels in the freezer......

You two you should do a book together

eelman · 02-02-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

on the hooks somewhere you said you used big siwash then another the Mustad 94150 which is a O`Shaughnessy ringed bronzed extra short shank hook

Just trying to get stuff together for the new season and appreciate your info.

I think Steve M said he liked Gami all around and Octopus but you say no?

~~~~~~~ Honey I need about $200.00 for Slug-Gos, a variety of hooks, dacron,super glue, and yes those are eels in the freezer......

You two you should do a book together

I use mono to mono via the albright knot, this knot is fantastic and I have never had one fail.

The siwash hooks are for rigged eels and the 94150 is what I use for live eels.

I dont like the gamis for two reasons: 1st for me they are to thin and tear though an eel easier. The other is that they dont rust out.If I cut the leader to release a fish the mustad rusts out fast........

Skitterpop · 02-02-2006, 11:56 AM

Thank you very much Bill

When should I expect the book coauthored by you and Steve?

You could do a simple construction booklet and I bet it would sell.

Mike

Diamond Tackle · 02-02-2006, 12:15 PM

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&,
Really good info. Thanks for sharing .
If you even want to try some Block Tin eel squids to experiment with, just drop me an email with your addr.

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 12:41 PM

FYI;
If your not crazy about the long point on the Siwash, the 8/0 or 9/0 tinned version of the Bronze 94150 that Bill uses for eels can be used for Rigged eels too... picked up that tip from a long Island transplant that DZ often refers to as 'Darter Al' although Dr. "Darter Al" might be more appropriate....

eelman · 02-02-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

Thank you very much Bill

When should I expect the book coauthored by you and Steve?

You could do a simple construction booklet and I bet it would sell.

Mike

Nah.I dont mind sharing what has worked for me and I am sure there are hundreds of other ways to do things that come to the same result, this stuff is just was has produced for me over the years....different strokes for different folks..........

Redsoxticket · 02-02-2006, 01:18 PM

What surf and bottom structure conditions do you use for the eels with two 1/2 sinkers in the eel's mouth ?

Also, do you use the same technigue as the rigged eel when you retrieve ?

eelman · 02-02-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

What surf and bottom structure conditions do you use for the eels with two 1/2 sinkers in the eel's mouth ?

Also, do you use the same technigue as the rigged eel when you retrieve ?

yikes..I am giving away my store!!

(just kiddin)

If I am fishing in water over 10 feet I may use a half ounce.( I tend to use weight more in rough water or in a current) Remember eels do sink so in water up to that height you really dont need it, I am looking to get my eels down faster in higher depths so I will use the weight to speed up the process.

As for the difference in rigged and live , its completley different, I just reel in the live one slow and let the eel do the work, every now and then a speed cahnge can produce a strike , especially when your close to the shore sometimes I will speed it up and that can trigger vicious hits right at your feet. The bass may be following that thing from the start and as soon as the fish sees the change bang! You just kind of have to feel all these things out with time and practice.

Most people make the mistake of thinking about the second cast before they finish the first! Big mistake, reel all the way to your feet, you will be amazed at the fish that will hit right in the wash...........

tlapinski · 02-02-2006, 04:43 PM

Why are the gami octopus hooks crap? Here is a pic of one of McKenna's slug-gos from last fall when we were out on Cutty. These were 7/0 or 8/0 hooks and he was using mono...

tlapinski · 02-02-2006, 04:48 PM

damn pictures.

LeCounts1099 · 02-02-2006, 05:12 PM

Tlap: It's not that Gamis are "crap" in general-- they're not! But a different hook for every different purpose/ application!

When I used Gami Octopus' w/ Live Eels, way too many flew off the hook. As #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& says they're thin- wire hooks-- not good for live Eel hook retention. Barb is quite small too. And... my PB 41 lber., partially opened my 5/0 Octopus, although I still managed to land (& release) the fish. Finally, yes, rust- out is very important for live Eeling, but less so for riggies or lures like Sluggos that don't often get swallowed like the live do. Been using Owners in recent years... but will give #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s' Mustad pattern a try! I will crush down by 50%that huge barb though, as I'm strictly a C & R guy!

Sea Dangles · 02-02-2006, 06:14 PM

I use Gami octo in 5 or 6 for eeling but I'm no expert.I hookem different than E.M. but I don't cast off eels.I have caught some decent fish and have never bent a hook,but I use a drag.Most hooks are bent because you hook into the jaw and get seperation pressure.Like Bill said a slow action rod is essential.My mentor,the Iron Man uses Gami live bait,these are $$$ but he prefers the strength and short shank.Some sharpies feed nails to their snakes to weigh them down,those slimies are hard to kill.Some times a trolling sinker can be used in line, above your leader.This is especially helpful on the backside of the cape when the water is moving sideways.

Skitterpop · 02-02-2006, 07:03 PM

Yes ......... in his OTW article about Slug-Gos Steve uses Gamakatsu

either Octopus 7/5 or live bait 7/5 (front to rear).

Clammer · 02-02-2006, 07:10 PM

Ok its #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, I just happen to be at clammers house.........Having said that..Tlap, I never said anywhere that gamis are crap, there awesome hooks, just not for me when it comes to tosing live eels...........Like I said a million times, to each his own.....Steve uses those hooks because they do not rust...which is exacly what he wants for the sluggo after rigging it, he does not want the hooks rusting, for me, the mustad rusts fast and if I have to clip the leader to let the fish go I have peace of mind that the hook will rust out! One is a lure................the other an eel, it would be like having any plug with hooks that rust in a day, you would not want that, same for the sluggo, When steve fishes live eels he uses the same hook I do..ask him !

Pt.JudeJoe · 02-02-2006, 07:23 PM

ewww .. that was kinda creepy...like watching Edgar Cayce in a trance and having someone from the other side's voice come out..

Joe · 02-02-2006, 07:26 PM

Hmm...
I'm gonna offer some other hook choice with the sluggo kits I sell. I had not heard about them opening like that.
Any consensous on alternatives that are about the same price? I'm open to suggestions. The rust factor is important - the hook needs to be resistant.
Good discussion here - lots of positive info - s-b.com at its best.

LeCounts1099 · 02-02-2006, 07:44 PM

Joe... How about Gami Siwash open- eye (S.S.), for the head- hook on rigged 9" Sluggos! I then attach a black large/ heavy- duty swivel to the open- eye, which then I clip onto my snap like any other lure. No, they're not cheap!!-- but these would never open, & I like the bigger bite vs. Octopus...

Personally, I believe the tail- hook/ double- rigging even the large Sluggos is unnecessary, & don't bother. I just weight the middle & tail & that's all! One 6/0 or 7/ 0 Gami Open Siwash & swivel, & I'm rigged & good to go! (hint: glue the head of the Sluggo to the middle/ barrel of the swivel after proper/ straight placement, rather than bother wrapping & then glueing the hook- shank!)

All this, & I'll admit I'm not really a Sluggo guy-- would much rather chuck wood or (hard) plastic myself! (I get the impression you too Joe?) Hard to argue with Steve's (& others) results though!

LeCounts1099 · 02-02-2006, 08:15 PM

Dangles: as usual, Iron Mike is right on! IF $ is no object, then no- doubt Gami Live Bait hooks are the absolute best for Live- eeling! But they are VERY expensive!!

With the preponderance of rat Bluefish over the last few years-- even during traditionally Bass Witching hours!... and the ever- present rocky/ boulder- strewn Coastline that we fish here from Montauk to Newport (and as opposed to the sands of the Cape, N.J., P.I., etc.), I just find these hooks too cost- prohibitive! Not to mention the ever- present need to clip off our eel- hooks when taken deeply by a ready-for-release Bass...

The hooks #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& recommends are dirt- cheap by todays' standards: if they also work great-- then we'll be less shy about using them around Blues, or rocky/ sticky areas... & that in itself will produce more fish! (Can't tell you how many times I pulled a cow Bass from among small Blues!)

I'm sure the Ironman gets his hooks & tackle free at this point from eager sponsors/ tackle Co.s? (or at least he well should! He's the "Michael Jordan" of our sport!)

Clammer · 02-02-2006, 08:16 PM

Joe, to be honest, unlike steve I much prefer the gorrila hook gami has, those never open up! As far as the gami being better (lecounts) I have to disagree totally, The mustad sharpens up fantastic and, the short shank hides in the bait much better, but again, now we are splitting hairs.Gami "live bait hooks" and there octopus hooks are two different hooks the live bait gamis are very good, however I am more than happy with the mustads and have caught thousands of bass on them.................The money really has noting to do with it, even if there more expensive its really not a break the bank desicion. If they were the best I would fish them.

Nebe · 02-02-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tlapinski

Why are the gami octopus hooks crap? Here is a pic of one of McKenna's slug-gos from last fall when we were out on Cutty. These were 7/0 or 8/0 hooks and he was using mono...

your asking why they are crap?? look at your picture, the front hook is straightened!!!