black salties-cannot ship to ri

[MakoMike]

I hear the same thing as John, that the ban on them was for freshwater use only and that they can be sold and used in salt water.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

OK... Well your principles can be admired then, but I think they'll at least be worth a try in salt water

I say ok for salt for anyone. I just won`t use them. Hate to see them ruin any body of fresh water.

[Nebe]

I wont use them until they change the name to "afro-american salties"

until then i can not support such a politicly incorrect prodcut

in all honesty, i will give them a whirl this season...

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by Parker650

Real quick...for all that are upset or don't understand why DEM is cracking down on these goldfish...

OK...they don't breed, thats good...they don't survive long in saltwater, good...possibly quite a while in freshwater, not so good...they work and will take pressure off other bait being sold if they are allowed, that is good too. Most everything that CaptDom and most others in favor have brought up they have a lot going for them. That I agree with...it's only one thing that is a significant unknown.

The one thing that stands out is there is no concrete, time-proven scientific information on these fish and what kind of effects they could possibly have IF RELEASED INTO A FRESHWATER ECOSYSTEM. They don't breed, so most everyone would automatically think that it is OK if they get released. Just keep in mind that any fish introduced into an ecosystem (lake, stream, brook) will be taking up space and food to live, possibly out-competing other native-fish for food, eating native-fish eggs, larvae and/or young frye and quite possibly pushing native fish out of their habitat and breeding areas. Of course, all of this might not happen, however there is a possibility, as we have seen what happens with other non-native species that have been accidentally introduced into other areas. Since there is a remote possibility that something like this COULD happen (not saying it will), coupled with the lack of scientific information on these goldfish, DEM (as well as ourselves as responsible fishermen and stewards of this earth) needs to take every precaution BEFORE it happens. There is nothing wrong with being overly cautious, we just need to have patience and understand the potential impacts they could have and why more info is needed before they are given the OK.

What if...some got released into the wood river and they ended up pushing the trout out of their breeding areas and eating the eggs and larvae and the trout population plummets. What if you grew up trout fishing, looking forward to taking your son out on opening day for trout as you used to, only to catch 5 lb 'goldfish' instead? Not saying it WOULD happen, but until we know otherwise, it COULD, and we need to be responsible with these possibilities.

the most intelligent response I have heard yet.

Also I have a question.....how do they "not breed"? Please excuse me for sounding stupid on this but I dont get it???? are they cloned??? how can they "not breed"? What am I missing?

[Skitterpop]

Carp, such as grass, black, and silver, as well as goldfish are among the most destructive non-indigenous species in North America, primarily because of their diet of aquatic vegetation. These species strip waters of oxygen-producing plants, thus increasing water temperatures and destroying habitat for native juvenile fish. In addition, the feeding habits of carp and goldfish stir up sediments, which decreases water clarity and inhibits plant growth

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I guess my question to the BS people would be how long will they live in fresh water?

[Nebe]

skitter- they cant reproduce. historicly problems involved with introducing a non-natice species into a new inviroment is that there are no preditors to eat them, which allows them to reproduce, which in turn boosts the #'s and the native species get pushed out- Didnt you see the movie Gremlins?? My point is that if they cant reproduce, they will live their lifespan and die.

Im all for these little fish- they are farm raised, unlike eels which are stripped from ponds, rivers, and estuaries up and down our coasts.

[Skitterpop]

I already had that Eben....that is why I said how long do they live.If repeatedly used at any location this will still be a problem.Not all will perish with use. Have you seen a fresh water environment over run with goldfish? It gets trashed.

And....remember Jurassic Park ...they cannot reproduce

[Jenn]

Nebe...I was asking the question of how do they "not reproduce"???? If they dont reproduce where do they come from to begin with? I am not getting it!!!!!! Everyone keeps saying "they dont reproduce, they dont reproduce" and I almost feel stupid for asking how can they "NOT reproduce" but yet no one has answered my question???? are they clones? are they test tube fishies?

[Jenn]

Ok, just went to the website and found this info. It does state that they can in fact reproduce in freshwater. I did not however see any mention that they cannot anywhere on the site. Can anyone please clarify where it is stated that they cannot reproduce????




http://www.blacksalty.com/forum/read.php?1,11

[Squid kids Dad]

Hi Jenn,
Try sending captdom a pm about your question...He is the one promoting there use...He seems very knowledgable about these little critters..He is a member of s-b.com

[Skitterpop]

I`m selling Black and White Zebra Salty Mussels for bait

[Nebe]

ohhh i thought they were sterile.....

well, i take back what i said.. or in other words i voted for it before i voted agianst it

[bluzjamer]

So ...are they legal or not! I don't want to be accused of using illegals to go fishing. They will have to come with a Green Card!

[scoobe]

Here is part of the text Jenn linked to:

Anyhow, the Black Salty will reproduce in a private pond, given good water conditions and adequate cover. - Larry Bozka

That seems like a pretty definitive answer to me.

[Jenn]

I just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing something?

Dont get me wrong I am not 100% anti salty. Do I think it is a good idea to come up with an alternative to herring etc? yes. Do I think we should do it at the expense of other native species? absolutely not.

I want the facts about them before I would consider it and I would hope the rest of you would too. I also think that we need to left the officials do their jobs and determine if salties pose a threat or not.

And last but not least PLEASE dont say its no different than buying goldfish at the pet shop....because to release a common goldfish (ei,unwated pets) is also illegal and for good reason at that.


If we arent responsible enough to fish without herring or eels (and without the help of black salties) for a while than we will soon face an even bigger problem.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Wildwood has them.....