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spence · 06-08-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by macojoe

All so a little beady eyed pointed nose miget prick can add his name to hstory!!

Well, in Bush's defense he is no midget...the man is 5'11" after all

-spence

Skip N · 06-09-2006, 02:40 AM

I for one am glad he's dead! Man it brings a smile to my face knowing our troops dropped a couple 500lb bombs on this pricks head!

Its a great day!

The only good terroist is a dead terrosist!

I hope those 72 virgins are 72 gay male virgins. Enjoy you prick!

Raven · 06-09-2006, 05:25 AM

is....with much anticipation....they recovered his computer...i heard,

a.
and B . there were 17 other simutaneous raids that resulted in a treasure trove

(their own words) of information that will have a spider web effect on further
investigations into their terror networks.

afterhours · 06-09-2006, 06:20 AM

must of been one tough 'puter- bombproof!

BigFish · 06-09-2006, 07:20 AM

I was amazed there was anything left of him to photograph let alone such a good photograph at that? I would have imagined 2 500 pound bombs would have blown him to smithereens! Never mind the computer being intact.

spence · 06-09-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

I was amazed there was anything left of him to photograph let alone such a good photograph at that? I would have imagined 2 500 pound bombs would have blown him to smithereens! Never mind the computer being intact.

All a stunt, they've had him frozen in carbonite for 2 years now.

It was triggered to defrost automatically when Bush's approval rating stayed below 30% for a month

-spence

Skitterpop · 06-09-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

they found him and sent in an air strike..... booom dead!!

So sad too bad.... after this Fridays storm from Saturday Pm to Wednesday Pm expect to see some new entries for Team S-B.Com

The Dad Fisherman · 06-09-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours

must of been one tough 'puter- bombproof!

That just means his Sales Team never touched it.......A Good Account Rep can destroy a $2000 laptop in minutes flat. Clumsy Bastahds

Diamond Tackle · 06-09-2006, 09:19 AM

According to the latest info, he was alive when they found him in the rubble, and he even tried to escape off the gurney. US Forces were not able to interrogate him however cause he died shortly thereafter.

So there goes another one of your conspiracy theories right out the window Spence. Oh I forgot hes a straw man, and it doesnt matter anyway.

Skip N · 06-09-2006, 09:45 AM

I'm still waiting for Likwid to give Bush and the military just a bit of credit for this. Although i'm not holding my breathe on that one. And judging by Likwids posts, i still beleive he has more hatred toward Bush than he ever did towards Zarqawi. He cant even bring himself to say one good word about Zarqawi being wiped out. I just dont get it, the #1 pig in Iraq is dead and likwid would rather ignore that and bash Bush? I just dont get the far left mindset

spence · 06-09-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Oh I forgot hes a straw man, and it doesnt matter anyway.

Jeeze Tin, you don't have to go sticking words in my mouth

Never said it didn't matter.

What I did say was that the Administration built Zarqawi up so they could rip him down.

This happened even before the war as they falsely cited his presence in Iraq as proof that Saddam had links to al Qaida.

This happened during the insurgency as the military and Administration intentionally and repeatedly overstated his impact to keep the media focused on terrorisim and not sectarian violence.

This doesn't mean he wasn't a very nasty bastard or that his death doesn't matter...but things need to be put into perspective.

-spence

Raven · 06-09-2006, 10:34 AM

go ahead general Casey....

engage target.... give him 1000 pounds of allah perspective....

aye sir...approaching target.... bombs sent sir...

pilot: returning to base....

well done Pilot....

thankyou sir.

Raven · 06-09-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by macojoe

Well Iam glad he is gone!!

But at what cost?? I mean we started a war with Iraq and made everyone think it had to do with 9/11

after 3 years
trillion's of dollars
nearly 3000 US soldiers dead
we got one in the list of many!!

Just think if we did go to war for nothing took all them resources and just wiped out Bin laden and his crew, we be way ahead of the game!

But now after this joker is gone we will just keep losing more young men, and wasteing more money on a war that no one will really win!

All so a little beady eyed pointed nose miget prick can add his name to hstory!!

i like your play on that word Macojoe....

HSSSSSS tory you spelled it right !

Skip N · 06-09-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by macojoe

Well Iam glad he is gone!!

But at what cost?? I mean we started a war with Iraq and made everyone think it had to do with 9/11

after 3 years trillion's of dollars nearly 3000 US soldiers we got one in the list of many!!

Just think if we did go to war for nothing took all them resources and just wiped out Bin laden and his crew, we be way ahead of the game!

But now after this joker is gone we will just keep losing more young men, and wasteing more money on a war that no one will really win!

All so a little beady eyed pointed nose miget prick can add his name to hstory!!

stripersnipr · 06-09-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

I think you're missing the point.

He was a bad guy, helped to kill our troops and for that I'm glad he's in little pieces.

But while his involvement in Iraqi violence in reality has been pretty small, it's been portrayed as the major source of instability to distract the media from the real issue of sectarian violence.

Not to mention how before the war Zarqawi was used as evidence of a Saddam/al Qaida collaboration which was a bogus claim...

Great, he's dead and it's a nagging mission we can check off the list...but the notion that this is a game changing event isn't supported by the facts as have been reported by our own military.

-spence

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

spence · 06-09-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

What Zarqawi did do intentionally had a big impact media wise (hell he pissed off nearly as many Muslims as he did Americans) but in relative terms the influence of foreign fighters wasn't the prime source of instability problems, nor is it's elimination the solution. It will help, but how much remains to be seen...

And this isn't about being negative to American success...my comments are to put the event into perspective as the Administration has distorted his role.

Did you know that in 2004 NBC reported the Pentagon requested permission 3 times to take Zarqawi out (before the Iraq war) in 2002. They were concerned he would raise some hell in Europe and given the post 9/11 mindset wanted to eliminate the problem.

The requests were denied as the Administration didn't want to upset their case for war with Saddam. Much better to make wild accusations Zarqawi and Saddam were drinking tea together on cool evenings after evening prayers

He was an evil man and our special ops have spent 2 freaking years tracking him down...but his role in this chapter of the "war on terror" should be looked at in context. The real world is a lot more nuanced than many would like to believe.

-spence

Skip N · 06-09-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

Good news in Iraq and the war on terror is bad news for Liberals. They are basing thier entire 2006 election campaign on negative news. Your telling me Howard Dean didnt burst out with a big "oh %$%$%$%$" when he heard Zarqawi was dead!? Its sad, but we know how they operate. Heck look at Likwid, he cant bring himself to praise our troops for taking out Zarqawi, he'd rather bash Bush and be all negative. And this is why the Libs won't be taking over congress in 06They have NO ideas or plans, thier success in 06 is based on bad news coming from Iraq. How pathetic is that??

spence · 06-10-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Good news in Iraq and the war on terror is bad news for Liberals. They are basing thier entire 2006 election campaign on negative news. Your telling me Howard Dean didnt burst out with a big "oh %$%$%$%$" when he heard Zarqawi was dead!?

Skippy, quit listenting to talk radio

-spence

nightfighter · 06-10-2006, 07:52 AM

Spence and likwid,
While i respect your right to your opinions, which is one of the beauties of our system of democracy, I am dismayed with your focus upon the political viewpoint. You want a dose of reality? you can come fish a day or night with some personal friends of mine who have been on the ground 'in theater', some who are members of the one four five. I promise they'll respect your right to a point of view, but they'll tell it like it is. We (include me) have no idea what is real over there. I would be willing to bet that you would be rethinking some of your posts after meeting them.....
My support is 100% behind those who are on the ground, at risk, for you and me. I will not participate online in a media nor political discussion.

Skip N · 06-10-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, quit listenting to talk radio

-spence

Sorry, talk radio is a drug to me

spence · 06-10-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

My support is 100% behind those who are on the ground, at risk, for you and me. I will not participate online in a media nor political discussion.

I think you're reading too much into my posts without knowing anything about me

Can't speak for Likwid, don't know him.

Putting the Zarqawi death in context isn't in any way diminishing the efforts of our troops. That's just the same bull%$%$%$%$ logic that says any critisim of the President is against the troops and their mission.

I know all I can know, and I form my opinions on that base. I'm not some liberal crackpot, hell, I'm even making my stepson read Nathan Fick's book so he can understand what it means to be a Marine.

My support and utter respect for our troops is precisely the reason I get so ticked when they are seemingly shown such contempt by the civilian leadership who order them into combat in a reckless manner.

-spence

Diamond Tackle · 06-10-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

My support and utter respect for our troops is precisely the reason I get so ticked when they are seemingly shown such contempt by the civilian leadership who order them into combat in a reckless manner. -spence

Spence
What CIVILIAN Leadership are you referring to??? Obviously you are not referring to the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. So who exactly are you referring to ?
I am VERY confused. S-plain it to me !

spence · 06-10-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Spence
What CIVILIAN Leadership are you referring to??? Obviously you are not referring to the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. So who exactly are you referring to ?
I am VERY confused. S-plain it to me !

Policy Makers.

-spence

Diamond Tackle · 06-10-2006, 01:38 PM

"I'm not prepared to lay out a detailed policy or strategy," "It's not something you can expect in a situation that is moving this fast and has the level of detail you're looking for."

Riddle me this , Who said these words?
Hint, this guy would have been a TOP POLICYMAKER if KERRY won the election.
Point is, what alternative plans are the Dems offering this year in 2006 ?

Skip N · 06-10-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Point is, what alternative plans are the Dems offering this year in 2006 ?

Retreat! Thats thier plan. And hope to win the 06 elections off negative news coming from Iraq.

Sad but true

spence · 06-10-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Riddle me this , Who said these words?
Hint, this guy would have been a TOP POLICYMAKER if KERRY won the election. Point is, what alternative plans are the Dems offering this year in 2006 ?

Let me get this straight...so the idea that Richard Holbrooke (whom I admire) wasn't willing or able to lay out a magic "fix Iraq" plan nearly 3 years after the invasion in an interview is proof that we would have been doomed had Kerry been elected?

That's just silly.

The real issue isn't even Dem vs Repub. It's to flush the current neocon policy wonks out of office.

Any decent leader could do what it takes to regain our moral high ground and make objective decisions giving the operational folks a chance to make more meaningful contributions on the ground that have some staying power.

-spence

stripersnipr · 06-10-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

"I'm not prepared to lay out a detailed policy or strategy," "It's not something you can expect in a situation that is moving this fast and has the level of detail you're looking for."

Riddle me this , Who said these words?
Hint, this guy would have been a TOP POLICYMAKER if KERRY won the election.
Point is, what alternative plans are the Dems offering this year in 2006 ?

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