Israel and World War Three - Page 9 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Skitterpop · 07-18-2006, 05:38 PM

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Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.

The British actually fought against them in 48 and for some years afterward....they really did much on there own with brilliant strategy and underground training of the special night forces...and of course they had to import weapons but the UN turned their backs on them when they were faced with multi Arabic armies. Loads of $$$$$$$$$$ did`nt hurt either....but strategy was key and their heart.

Mike P · 07-18-2006, 07:46 PM

The Brits changed their tune when Nasser overthrew King Farouk of Egypt and started making noises about closing down the Suez Canal to British shipping, and nationalizing BP's oil wells. In fact, it was his shutting down the Suez Canal in the 1956 war that sparked the alleged clandestine British intervention. There are photographs and newsreel footage of Mirage fighter jets sporting strange cross-shaped markings, instead of the Star of David. That's what led to the speculation that they were being flown by British and French pilots and not Israelis.

Skitterpop · 07-18-2006, 07:54 PM

Mike.... you smart bastage

Interesting with all the behind the scenes assistance and non assistance how we reached today....

Skitterpop · 07-18-2006, 08:31 PM

Oh my god....

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The Bush administration is waiving the requirement that Americans have to pay or reimburse the government for being evacuated from Lebanon, aides to two senators said.

spence · 07-18-2006, 08:40 PM

Yea, but they'll get 'em with the 25 dollar charge to upgrade to an aisle seat

-spence

Skip N · 07-19-2006, 09:56 AM

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Oh my god....

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The Bush administration is waiving the requirement that Americans have to pay or reimburse the government for being evacuated from Lebanon, aides to two senators said.

I'm mixed on this. I dont think we should say to the US citizens in Lebanon, that yeah we'll rescue you, but only if you pay $2000! (or whatever the price tag is) or hit em up with a a large bill after the fact. The US should'nt charge its citizens in a time when they need help. Its like sending a huge bill to the people rescued during Katrina.

The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!? So part of me says, hey you guys arent that bright for hanging out in countries that have terroist groups roaming the streets!

MakoMike · 07-19-2006, 10:22 AM

Personally I don't see what the problem is in charging them, they were going to have to pay commercial airfare to come home anyway. Now I wouldn't charge them commercial rates, but enough to cover the cost of the fuel would seem appropriate.

spence · 07-19-2006, 10:37 AM

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The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!?

Skippy,

1. There were a lot of Lebanese Christians who fled civil war in the 1970's that came to the United States. Not only is there a cultural tie, but there are many family ties as well.

2. Lebanon is pretty modern and Beirut is considered to be one of the more cosmopolitan cities in the region. For the most part it's quite Western and has a large tourisim industry.

3. And perhaps most importantly...the single best thing we can to do combat terrorisim in the long run is to encourage the free exchange of business and ideas with other nations.

A strong collaborative relationship with Lebanon is critical to the future of the weak democracy that exists today.

We can't collaborate if we're not there...

-spence

Swimmer · 07-19-2006, 07:09 PM

I am sure the marines would look forward to being deployed in Beruit again Spence if we re-establish a working relationship with Lebonon.

spence · 07-19-2006, 07:58 PM

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I am sure the marines would look forward to being deployed in Beruit again Spence if we re-establish a working relationship with Lebonon.

Hey, I know and work with guys that were deployed back then

Fact of the matter, you're comparing apples and oranges.

-spence

Backbeach Jake · 07-19-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

I'm mixed on this. I dont think we should say to the US citizens in Lebanon, that yeah we'll rescue you, but only if you pay $2000! (or whatever the price tag is) or hit em up with a a large bill after the fact. The US should'nt charge its citizens in a time when they need help. Its like sending a huge bill to the people rescued during Katrina.

The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!? So part of me says, hey you guys arent that bright for hanging out in countries that have terroist groups roaming the streets!

The news tonight had this astounding factoid: There are 25,000 Americans in Lebanon! 25,000! What's the attraction there?

Skitterpop · 07-19-2006, 08:11 PM

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The news tonight had this astounding factoid: There are 25,000 Americans in Lebanon! 25,000! What's the attraction there?

Pita bread

Swimmer · 07-20-2006, 11:58 AM

Of those twenty-five thousand americans. Most were born in Lebanon and are naturalized here. A small portion are probably students at Amercian University there. The rest are people born in America that work there for banks and the cia and stuff.

stormfish · 07-20-2006, 12:14 PM

25,000 x 2000 = $50,000,000

What does 50,000,000 pay for in the war?

Skitterpop · 07-20-2006, 12:41 PM

bounty on a couple of major Hezbollah players?

Skip N · 07-20-2006, 01:10 PM

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Of those twenty-five thousand americans. Most were born in Lebanon and are naturalized here. A small portion are probably students at Amercian University there. The rest are people born in America that work there for banks and the cia and stuff.

Why on earth would an American family allow thier child to go study in Lebanon???

Skitterpop · 07-20-2006, 01:16 PM

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Why on earth would an American family allow thier child to go study in Lebanon???

Because they are Lebanese?

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Skip N · 07-20-2006, 03:52 PM

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Because they are Lebanese?

Nope, because thier are well known terroists groups in Lebanon!

If you wanna send your kid there go right ahead

The Dad Fisherman · 07-20-2006, 04:04 PM

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Nope, because thier are well known terroists groups in Lebanon!

If you wanna send your kid there go right ahead

How About With the Growing Global Market there is a need for people in business to be familiar with different cultures in the world. So if someone needs to learn the Lebanese culture what better place to learn it than in Lebanon.

Also with the Current Middle-eastern Climate escalating there is also a need for people in the Government to have an understanding of different cultures too, so , Again, if someone needs to learn the Lebanese culture what better place to learn it than in Lebanon.

I don't think that all the American Students that went over there for college went there to enroll in Terrorism 101

spence · 07-20-2006, 04:17 PM

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Nope, because thier are well known terroists groups in Lebanon!

Skippy, there are well known terrorist groups here in the USA.

-spence

likwid · 07-20-2006, 05:00 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12011945@N00/

More pictures of "Hezbollah targets" that were bombed.

likwid · 07-20-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, there are well known terrorist groups here in the USA.

-spence

Earth Liberation Front
Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR)
Jamaat ul-Fuqra
to name a couple.

stripersnipr · 07-20-2006, 05:27 PM

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/12011945@N00/

More pictures of "Hezbollah targets" that were bombed.

Still waiting for you to show us some pictrues of a few dozen Tel Aviv Bus bombings, but it isn't gonna happen is it?

likwid · 07-20-2006, 05:50 PM

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Still waiting for you to show us some pictrues of a few dozen Tel Aviv Bus bombings, but it isn't gonna happen is it?

Oh that gets plastered all over CNN/Fox/etc.
Why bother showing what we all get to see anyhow?
Why not take a look at what you don't get to see?

Skitterpop · 07-20-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Nope, because thier are well known terroists groups in Lebanon!

If you wanna send your kid there go right ahead

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Skitterpop · 07-20-2006, 06:39 PM

Hezbollah leader scoffs at Israeli offensive

Nasrallah: Militant group 'will deliver surprises that it promises'

Thursday, July 20, 2006; Posted: 6:49 p.m. EDT (22:49 GMT)

spence · 07-20-2006, 07:37 PM

What I find simply incredible is how people condone this over use of force when history has proven again and again that groups like Hezbolla are like a video game character who gets stronger each time you hit it.

Unless you can remove it's head, more innovative measures are required.

But it's gonna get much worse. From most accounts the charade of a more stable Iraq is falling apart even among the diehard Bush supporters. The civilian deaths and sectarian violence is rising at an alarming rate.

Rumor is even some GOP Congresspeople are starting to sing the Murtha tune...and you ain't gonna be able to call them liberal defeatists.

-spence

Skitterpop · 07-20-2006, 09:22 PM

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Unless you can remove it's head, more innovative measures are required.

-spence

This brings us to one major component of World War Three which I feel has been ongoing now for some years. The head being all Muslims who advocate Jihad for Israel, The United States, all our allies, and any nation or people who oppose them. Its really overwhelming.

Skip N · 07-20-2006, 11:55 PM

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I don't think that all the American Students that went over there for college went there to enroll in Terrorism 101

Nobody ever implied that, what i'm saying is that letting your child travel to Lebanon to study just doesnt seem like the brightest move. Sure lebanon might be somewhat pro American, but your still in a country that has a shady history with ties to terroists groups, such as Hezbalah. Seems rather risky to me.