THE STRIPER CUP LEADER BOARD

[nightprowler]

wow, team #^&#^&#^&#^&'s came out of nowhere....

THE STRIPER CUP LEADER BOARD
As of 8-7-2006

CLUB LEADERS: (largest 10 fish)

1. Team #^&#^&#^&#^&'s MA, 442.3 pts.
31-Jul Lev Wlodyka 57.6 lbs.
25-Jul Lev Wlodyka 49.5 lbs.
04-Aug Nick Warburton 46.6 lbs.
03-Aug Morgan Child 44.6 lbs.
07-Aug Alec Gale 44.2 lbs.
27-Jul Greg Tayntor 43.5 lbs.
18-Jul Nick Warburton 43.4 lbs.
07-Aug Rick Sylva 40.5 lbs.
23-Jul Whitney Brush 36.6 lbs.
26-Jul Chris Morris 35.8 lbs.

2. Linesider Bass & Brew, MA, 407.03 pts
12-Jul Gary DeCosta 54.4 lbs.
07-Jul Gary DeCosta 46.2 lbs.
26-Jun Steve Coulombe 44.18 lbs.
26-Jun Gary DeCosta 43.16 lbs.
18-Jul Stanley Indyck 39.8 lbs.
03-Jun Steve Coulombe 38.37 lbs.
03-Jul Art Marshall 36.6 lbs.
07-Jun Gary Decosta 35.2 lbs.
03-Jul Stanley Indyck 35 lbs.
01-Jun Ron Dore 34.12 lbs.

3. Sandwich Basin Yacht Club, MA, 387.26
16-Jul Thomas Klueber 53.9 lbs.
03-Jul Chip Cheney 46 lbs.
07-Jun Thomas Klueber 43.56 lbs.
01-Jul Eugene Paltrineri 41 lbs.
07-Jul Bob Joyce 35.5 lbs.
17-Jun Terrance Hogan 34.3 lbs.
19-Jul Terrance Hogan 34.1 lbs.
07-Jul Leo Bedard 33.4 lbs.
27-May Terrance Hogan 33.3 lbs.
08-Jul Terrance Hogan 32.2 lbs.

4.Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers Association, RI, 365.09 pts.
20-Jul Donald Smith 40.1 lbs.
08-Jul Peter Vican 38.3 lbs.
01-Jul Peter Vican 38.08 lbs.
19-Jun Steve Mckenna 37.4 lbs.
08-Jul Donald Smith 37.3 lbs.
14-Jul Peter Vican 36.5 lbs
30-May Steve McKenna 36.23 lbs.
20-Jul Peter Vican 36 lbs.
27-Jun Bill Nolan Jr 32.98 lbs.
14-Jul Donald Smith 32.2 lbs.

5. Striped-Bass.com, 363.68 pts
25-Jun Antonio Machado 42 lbs.
17-Jun Anthony Orlando 40.25 lbs.
21-Jun Tony Grubiak 39.13 lbs.
27-Jun Tony Grubiak 36.5 lbs.
15-May Anthony Orlando 35.8 lbs.
11-Jul Tony Grubiak 35.5 lbs.
27-May Tony Grubiak 35 lbs.
04-Jul Antonio Machado 35 lbs.
18-Jul Michael Luccini 32.5 lbs.
07-Jul Tyler Rhoads 32 lbs.

["uffah!!"]

Big #^&#^&#^&#^&'s Team always WINS!!!

[tattoobob]

Something tells me that they are all boat fish from the commercial fishing season in Ma.

[Squid kids Dad]

Must be #^&#^&#^&#^&s bait & tackle on the Vineyard..I recognize most of the names...

[nightprowler]

Originally Posted by Squid kids Dad

Must be #^&#^&#^&#^&s bait & tackle on the Vineyard..I recognize most of the names...

yeah, it is. I know they have a 46 and a 35 that they caught before the team was formed.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

Something tells me that they are all boat fish from the commercial fishing season in Ma.

What was the first clue, that every fish they entered was caught July 18 or later?

Altho the leading fish was entered on a closed day---but, that doesn't necessarily mean it was caught then. Or, caught Monday, sold Tuesday (perfectly legal under the Mass comm regs, by the way).

Stevie's getting those slips in real quick, too. I've been waiting close to 2 weeks for my fish to hit the 30 pound club, and GB Outdoor's 40 still hasn't materialized.

[tattoobob]

Yup that was it, Nothin wrong with comms fishing a contest just they shouldn't compete with the average Joe, Or shore guys.

[NIB]

It's all within the rules.
Not happy about the format?
there is all winter for that..
Moaning about it afterwords sounds like sour grapes.
All we can do is the best we can.
What kills me is we all agree to fish as a team then some guys
with some good fish get a conscience.
Wish I new about that earlier.

[Mike P]

No one's whining, but I would like to know when this team was formed. Obviously, if they have a 35 and a 46 from "before the team was formed" it was a recently formed "club". Most of the clubs up there in the top 5 have fish in there from May and June. Those clubs might have been formed, like us, just to fish the tournament, but they started under the same rules, and started fishing for fun, competition, prestige, camerademie, sportsmanship and all of the other stuff the tournament was formed for. Looks to me like this club was formed on the eve of commercial season for the sole purpose of winning, and being able to cherry pick from 30 fish a day. Every other club had to stick by 2 fish a day from May up until July. It may be within the rules, but it goes against the whole spirit of what this thing was supposed to be about.

Do I begrudge the Bass and Brew guys their fish even tho they have a lot of comms there? No, they started out like us, back in May, as did the Sandwich Yacht Club and RISAA. They weren't thrown together on the eve of commercial season. Hey, we weren't going to win it anyway. If I was one of those Bass and Brew guys, tho, I'd be beaucoup pissed.

No sour grapes---it just sucks, period. They're putting up some nice fish, but it still stinks.

[Back Beach]

I wouldn't piss and moan too much about team #^&#^&#^&#^&'s. Most of those names you see are usually the winners/leaders for the vineyard derby too. Why? They are good fishermen. Commercial or not, I don't think it would matter. S-B has a lot of commercial license holders too.

[inTHERAPY]

"If I was one of those Bass and Brew guys, tho, I'd be beaucoup pissed." I am one "of those guys" and I am not pissed, and I doubt my 7 teammates are either. Each one of us share an incredible passion for fishing...sleepless nights in anticipation, countless hours of prep, details
(i'm sure those traits are true for all of the hardcore anglers). In my mind, every single time I leave the dock is the day for the 50. I never begrudge anyone a catch, sh#t, I still want to see Majors numbers for the year. Good fishermen catch fish consistently. I have not broken 39# this year. I/we ( except for Gary, he's got 2 more fish in the 40s not even registered yet ) ) are obviously going to have to kick it up a notch if we want the Cup. See you at Striperfest. Art

[GBOUTDOORS]

I can only take two fish a day and that changes the rules as far as I see it. We must stop at two big fish we feel may count they get to cull threw 30 that is not apples for apples. Are they better fisherman than me and you could be but lets have an even playing feild. In Mass. a com. guy can not enter the state derby for just this reason so I feel next year they need to look at the way this comes down. I told the guys at the Mass leg it would all change the day after the Mass com. started and it did.If this is the way it goes next year I will not bother as the out come is for gone already. No whining here just facts this was to be for fun not set up for com. fishing or was it. I think if they keep the com. guys in for next year they will see their dream (a very good one at that) of this being a true on going tournament ending too soon. Then agian if it stays this way all we need to do is get a few com. guys to let us check in their big fish and we can fix it for us to win the cup every year as it will go to com. teams only. I would not do this but just trying to show the way this thing will head . I feel sorry for the guys at ON THE WATER as they are trying to give us something to work for but there is always a way for someone to rig the out come.

[NIB]

As a boat guy I would be targeting 40+ lb fish so u get one in ur cooler an u keep fishing.Releasing anything under 40+ till u get a bigger one.I don't understand where the problem is.sure they can cull thru 30 fish but realistcally how many huge fish do u think they catch.I think u have to consider that they are true experts.They have the knoweldge an will to forgo the price of fuel that might offset there earnings.Perhaps this is part of it. I also understand many comm guys will take there vacatins from there reg.jobs to fish as much as possible.Good for them.The replys' still sounds like sour grapes.Just Do better.Or lose.Plain an simple.
On another note I notice the shore catagory has not changed in a while.This reflects the miserable fishing I have also encountered from terra firma.Talking to Stevie Van Stahl on sunday he said this july was one of his worst in a long time he said he only had 16 fish for the month.So I'm not alone.But I'm not sure i feel any better.
Good luck an get a big one..
Tony

[GBOUTDOORS]

Nib if as you said they are paid experts then you have just made my point for me and as far as it being sour grapes you are way off with that one in my case as I do not care one way or the other and for you to say so with out knowing me is not fair I too did not check in a fish till it was over 40#.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by GBOUTDOORS

Nib if as you said they are paid experts then you have just made my point for me and as far as it being sour grapes you are way off with that one in my case as I do not care one way or the other and for you to say so with out knowing me is not fair I too did not check in a fish till it was over 40#.

I never said Paid experts.I said TRue experts.
It is realitvely easy to get a Mass Comm License right?
Perhaps u don't get what I am tryin to say.
I understand ur plight.If u read my post in a negative manner that is all u will get from it.I was tryin to be inspirational in the way i was taught.Tough love,sh!t or get off the pot.Hitch up ur draws an get out an fight.Knute Rockney I'm not i guess.
Sorry if I did offend.was not intended.

[nightprowler]

I was in #^&#^&#^&#^&'s a couple of weeks ago talking with steve and matt, the 35 and 46 that were caught before the team was formed were shore caught fish. matt was registered in the individual category as he has a 40 pin. after several regulars weighed fish in as individuals they decided they should form a team. it just happend that it was near the start of the comm season.
#^&#^&#^&#^&s is my local tackle shop and they have served me well since my grandfather taught me to fish. my very first rod was bought from steve and the majority of my gear since has come from him also.
i was simply surprised when i checked the leader board and saw that they had leap frogged teams that had been there from the begginning. maybe the fishing on the vineyard has been that good?
i know i have been taking some nice fish recently, so after a slow start on the vineyard it has finally heated up from shore...and apparently from the boat as well. i have heard of several other fish in the high 40's low 50's caught by folks who aren't comm or in the cup.
tight lines!!!

[Mike P]

NIB, how many big fish can a good comm get, realistically? I've seen guys come in this year with over 800 lbs. That's close to a 30# average on a 30 fish day.

Guys don't mind getting outfished on a level playing field. I certainly don't. If you beat me under the same rules, hey, I'll be the first to shake your hand. This isn't a comm/rec thing. This is the only tournament I know of that allows commercially caught fish to be entered. I don't have anything against commercial fishermen, just fish the OTW on your off days. If Lev went out there on a Monday and bagged that 57, hey, great job, kiddo. If Lev caught that fish on a Sunday and had two 40s in the boat, he had the advantage of keeping a fish that a rec couldn't. Still a great catch, but the deck was stacked in his favor.

Here is the other problem I have. Stevie Morris is fielding a team, OK, fine. I know Stevie is a straight shooter. It's not a problem with Stevie per se. It's a problem with what lawyers call, "the appearence of impropriety" #^&#^&#^&#^&'s is also an official weigh station--that's the reason the slips are getting in the same day they're caught. Now, if I catch a 35 lb fish on a Monday, and I take it to M&Ds to weigh, after I fill out the slip, Mike is going to send it in. If I catch a 43 lb on, say, Thursday, and weigh it in at Canal B&T, Bruce Miller is also going to send that slip in. When OTW gets it, they'll see I weighed in two fish in a week and the 43 won't count. Now, instead of being Stevie Morris, I'm Joe Sleazebag and I own a B&T. I'm a official OTW weigh station and I decide to field a team. What's to stop me from holding slips from my team for the week, and only sending in the largest fish for each member?

In the wrong hands, having your team captain as your personal weighmaster can be a problem.

Again, this is in no way a suggestion that these guys are doing that.

[reelecstasy]

Mike P. hit it on the head IMHO

[Mr. Sandman]

I gave you a heads up about this. You don't stand a chance in hell in winning against these guys. Yes, they are all comm fishermen and all are boat fish except for a 46 from the surf. They never even started to fish until the comm season started, that is the only reason you made it on the board. They are landing more 40#+ fish that you never see because they already weighed one in for the week.


There is no way a surfcaster taking two fish can compete against a serious comm fishermen with bait in a boat taking 30. end of story. You're burnt toast. IMO this contest should not allow comm fishermen to compete OR should have a separate catagory just for fisherment with comm lic's (whether you use it or not)

BTW, what what ever happended to the Bill Major matter? Is he still on the board? Speaking of questionable comm fishing ethics, the constable nailed another guy taking 22 bass on a monday out here.

BTW if your B&T faxes in the slips you will get the same day deal. Also, I know SM is very careful about doing anything that even appears questionable. Anyone who works at the shop has their fish wieghted in at Larrys B&T to avoid any confilct. The other comm fishermen just use him as a weigh station like anyone else. He faxes in the slips within minutes after they are weighed in. They don't even bother with anything under 40.

They are just fish catching machines. If OTW thinks it is OK for comms to compete with recs...this is what is going to happen.

[eelman]

Seems to me most here are losing track of the fact that this is not a "Surf only" Tournement...It has nothing to do with "dont stand a chance" it always was a boat and surf tourney. In my opinion comm. or not, you still have to catch the big fish and those guys are. Did anyone think that none of these clubs had boat fisherman?

"here is no way a surfcaster taking two fish can compete against a serious comm fishermen with bait in a boat taking 30. end of story. You're burnt toast. IMO this contest should not allow comm fishermen to compete OR should have a separate catagory just for fisherment with comm lic's (whether you use it or not)"


Again its both boat and shore, which ever club wins...I say congrats...being a comm. does not gurantee a take of large.

Be happy with good personall results, with the amount of fisherman in this tourney, thats all you can hope for....or if its "surf" you want start looking at the surf only catagorys etc....and isnt SB for both shore and boat guys?? or is SB only competing on a shore level??

Didnt goose get a nice bass from a boat? and weigh it in for SB?

comms, still have to fish like anyone else, I am sure there is a fair share of holding fish for another week in the surf also.....

Just holding a lic, doesnt make you a better fisherman, jezzz half of MA holds a lic... I see nothing wrong with them weighing in there big fish if it was caught legally, even if they fished there "off" days whats the diff?? they still know where the fish are ?


Guy caught a nice fish but he is a comm, "no good"!

Guy catches alot of fish..."he is cheating"

Guy weighs in a 40 two weeks in a row..."must have bought them"

Nothing would make anyone happy with this tourney......A nice fish is a nice fish regardless a hook and a line caught it the fish doesnt care who is on the other end or wht type of lic. he holds.......


In my club "RISAA" The boat guys destroyed me and Steve ......we could care less....these guys dont have comm lic. however they catch the same amount of bass as any comm and basically have 20 to 30 fish nights and release most fish but keep there large, whats the diff?

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Again its both boat and shore, which ever club wins...I say congrats...being a comm. does not gurantee a take of large.

....

no it doesnt....but sure stand a way better chance
I got no problem with the boat thing.....just the commercial thing
congrats is right to who ever wins....THIS year
I'll bet they change it next year......
TIGHT LINES to ALL

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Slingah

no it doesnt....but sure stand a way better chance
I got no problem with the boat thing.....just the commercial thing
congrats is right to who ever wins....THIS year
I'll bet they change it next year......
TIGHT LINES to ALL

Again, I ask why?? ? why do they suddenly become better fisherman because they hold a comm lic???? I know plenty of recs who catch the same number of fish each day and toss em back?? Should Charter captains be banned also??


There are guys in my club RISAA Who cant catch fish in a barrell yet on occasion win in the boat division some years ....Why? because they charter well known bass slayers (charter capts) and basically get put on a good fish...should they be disqalified from the tourney? because they hired" a charter captain? does that count as basically buying there fish??

[Slingah]

comm = pick of 30
rec = can keep 2......if you keep 2 that you think are large and then catch bigger....tough luck
does not seem fair to me....but what do I know...

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Slingah

comm = pick of 30
rec = can keep 2......if you keep 2 that you think are large and then catch bigger....tough luck
does not seem fair to me....but what do I know...

Still have to catch 30........thats easier said than done and most of there 30 fish catch is 34 to 36 inch fish I dont think there catching 30-50lb bass...

You really think some rec out there way off shore doesnt cull now and then?? thats naive ....

[reelecstasy]

"You really think some rec out there way off shore doesnt cull now and then?? thats naive ...."
Call it naive or whatever, but thats cheating, period...
I believe Slingah was assuming with no cheating, the odds are stacked..
But like Slingah, wth do I know, I am a surfguy, lol
I love seeing someone catching large, I will shake their hand no problem and give them a attaboy.
Like you i don't compare my surf fish to anyone in a boat, different game in my humble opinion...

[Swimmer]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& when comms have 30 fish to choose from and we have two, thats fair. Thats absurd and patently unfair. Rec fisherman are at a 15-1 disadvatage before they pull away from the dock or out of the driveway.

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Still have to catch 30........thats easier said than done and most of there 30 fish catch is 34 to 36 inch fish I dont think there catching 30-50lb bass...

You really think some rec out there way off shore doesnt cull now and then?? thats naive ....

yup...comm's do....but comm's can keep 30.....
Im sure some rec's cull....I am not naive to that....breaking the law should not even be an argument for this discussion

[Mr. Sandman]

[QUOTE=#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&]Still have to catch 30........thats easier said than done and most of there 30 fish catch is 34 to 36 inch fish I dont think there catching 30-50lb bass...[QUOTE]


You are misinformed.

[eelman]

[QUOTE=Mr. Sandman][QUOTE=#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&]Still have to catch 30........thats easier said than done and most of there 30 fish catch is 34 to 36 inch fish I dont think there catching 30-50lb bass...

You are misinformed.

am I? You know guys that are catching 30-50lb bass everytime out?? yikes! wow....


Chris....In a perfect world your right....No cheating.....but it aint a perfect world...........

It is all whinning and jealousy...wa...wa...wa...I dont stand a chance....no fair...sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds in a schoolyard, go fishing and hope for the best..

[steve]

Originally Posted by reelecstasy