9/11/01 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

justplugit · 09-04-2006, 09:56 PM

Been watching the History Channel's portrayal of 9/11 for the last week. Mostly about the horrendous attack and the Heros. Tonight i saw an HBO special on 9/11 which included a factual narration by Juliani, but most important it was about the people who were affected on that day as they told their stories. No holds barred you could feel the pain they went through, and are going through. For some reason as they showed the 767 hitting the North Tower this time, i felt this unbelievable anger and yelled right out loud ,those freekin bastages.

We are at war with a determined enemy that has no respect whatsoever for human life, we should remember that everyday, and never forget what they did ,and what they will continue to do.

Skip N · 09-04-2006, 10:18 PM

Alot of people have already forgotten

Karl F · 09-04-2006, 10:35 PM

9/11/01---> 5 years later, Osama running loose, mess in Afghanastan, bigger mess in Iraq, and gonna be another mess in Iran, and the rest of the middle east as well.
Americans have not changed there way of life too much, most, (like myself) piss and moan about fuel costs, etc. But, we still work our jobs, buy our groceries, and lead our lives pretty much the same.
And, like Skip said, most have forgotten..

12/07/41----Pearl Harbor Day... US declares war, not only on the attackers, Japan, but also on Germany,and Italy. MUCH SACRIFICE at home as well as those in the military, Automakers suspend production of cars, Major Rationing of everything, most males 35 years old and under, who are not working defense manufacturing jobs are in the service. Japanese Americans, are rounded up and encamped. Women, whose husbands are overseas, are pressed into working in the defense factories.. all major sports are shut down, players pressed into service, hollywood types as well..
4 and 1/2 years later.. WW2 over, Hitler dead, Japan overthrown, Mussolini, gone. Tremendous sacrifice and unity of us and the other countries we allied with...
Woud Not fly today, in this PC world.. ..
Would it?

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Skitterpop · 09-04-2006, 11:23 PM

Interesting view as always Karl ..... Those days may return out of necessity someday in the near future.

spence · 09-04-2006, 11:25 PM

Well said Karl...

After 9/11 what did Bush say? Keep shopping.

We do face a serious challenge, but this country has risen to great challenges before. They say this war is different, but reading history it looks like every war has been different.

9/11 certainly shocked and scared the hell out of us all, but it made me think more about what I believe makes America great. This is where I think we should get our passion to solve our problems...not from emotionally charged lessons of the past. Most people tend to use poor judgement when full of rage...

That's my perspective at least.

-spence

spence · 09-04-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Alot of people have already forgotten

Like who? If it's a lot of people this should be easy...

-spence

afterhours · 09-05-2006, 06:14 AM

i for one will NEVER forget.

Skip N · 09-05-2006, 09:44 AM

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Well said Karl...

After 9/11 what did Bush say? Keep shopping.

We do face a serious challenge, but this country has risen to great challenges before. They say this war is different, but reading history it looks like every war has been different.

9/11 certainly shocked and scared the hell out of us all, but it made me think more about what I believe makes America great. This is where I think we should get our passion to solve our problems...not from emotionally charged lessons of the past. Most people tend to use poor judgement when full of rage...

That's my perspective at least.

-spence

I find it hard to believe that someone like you would support an all out war on terroism. You would support an all out war against Radical Islam and Terroists??? The people in the US today are a bunch of fairys and would never embrace a full scale WWII type war, even if it meant totally wiping out Terror. They would rather apease the Terroists rather than defeat them.

But hey, that's the liberal way!

spence · 09-05-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

The people in the US today are a bunch of fairys and would never embrace a full scale WWII type war, even if it meant totally wiping out Terror. They would rather apease the Terroists rather than defeat them.

I think I'm just going to let this broad and absurd generalization stand on it's own...

Nice job Skip

-spence

stripersnipr · 09-05-2006, 10:25 AM

Some people choose to fight some people choose to study nuances ad nauseum.

Striperknight · 09-05-2006, 10:54 AM

I had security clearance and went into ground zero while it was still burning. I will never forget!

spence · 09-05-2006, 10:59 AM

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Some people choose to fight some people choose to study nuances ad nauseum.

Or better yet, crack a history book or two...open our eyes to reality and execute a pragmatic strategy that improves the effectiveness when we do choose to fight.

Most importantly

Let idiology guide our actions, not dictate them.

And Knight, was driving by the pit just the other week. Gave me freaking goosebumps.

-spence

Skip N · 09-05-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

I think I'm just going to let this broad and absurd generalization stand on it's own...

Nice job Skip

-spence

I described you pretty well aye? You and your liberal friends would never support a full scale war on terror, and you know it! The "fairys' i was refering to is the left wing of this country, you guys are all about appeasment and you know it. Why can't you just admit it?

spence · 09-05-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

I described you pretty well aye? You and your liberal friends would never support a full scale war on terror, and you know it! The "fairys' i was refering to is the left wing of this country, you guys are all about appeasment and you know it. Why can't you just admit it?

Skip, you have no clue as to what you're talking about.

-spence

Slipknot · 09-05-2006, 11:39 AM

you two go to your corners please and stop hijacking justplugit's thread

spence · 09-05-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

you two go to your corners please and stop hijacking justplugit's thread

Skip started it

-spence

Skitterpop · 09-05-2006, 11:52 AM

Archie Bunker Lives

Raven · 09-05-2006, 12:22 PM

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you two go to your corners please and stop hijacking justplugit's thread

those two guys need to row a boat together....

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post september 11th... i cannot ever forget because the illness i felt
or sickness.....disturbance in the force if you like....hit me like a ton of bricks
....and i had to leave work.... it shattered me like a mirror.
SO,, (sigh) i have a much different view.....
i have the ultimate respect for what our military has done thus far.
but when you read about the Saudi Cleric giving Osama his blessing

to k i l l 10 million Americans to balance the scales of justice....in A genocidal war...
(thats the number they figure we've killed over time)
it has to make you think that by that idea alone..... there are much larger than
9-11 events planned..... and if this were to happen.... does that entitle us to respond with nukes .

i say yes.

stripersnipr · 09-05-2006, 12:34 PM

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those two guys need to row a boat together....

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post september 11th... i cannot ever forget because the illness i felt
or sickness.....disturbance in the force if you like....hit me like a ton of bricks
....and i had to leave work.... it shattered me like a mirror.
SO,, (sigh) i have a much different view.....
i have the ultimate respect for what our military has done thus far.
but when you read about the Saudi Cleric giving Osama his blessing

to k i l l 10 million Americans to balance the scales of justice....in A genocidal war...
(thats the number they figure we've killed over time)
it has to make you think that by that idea alone..... there are much larger than
9-11 events planned..... and if this were to happen.... does that entitle us to respond with nukes .

i say yes.

I think they've made their point that this isn't a matter open to negotitation. The latest message is convert to Islam or die. It seems the only choice in the matter is to apply as much force as necessary. If its nuclear force that is required then that is what is required. Anyone denying that a portion of America does not have the stomach to apply that force are well,......in denial. There will be American losses and sacrifices must be made to win the biggest war this country has probably ever been involved in.

Skitterpop · 09-05-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I think they've made their point that this isn't a matter open to negotitation. The latest message is convert to Islam or die. It seems the only choice in the matter is to apply as much force as necessary. If its nuclear force that is required then that is what is required. Anyone denying that a portion of America does not have the stomach to apply that force are well,......in denial. There will be American losses and sacrifices must be made to win the biggest war this country has probably ever been involved in.

Thank you Doctor Evil

stripersnipr · 09-05-2006, 12:47 PM

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Thank you Doctor Evil

Funny........I thought Americans stood together against Evil. But I guess that was in the old days.

spence · 09-05-2006, 01:24 PM

Too much doom and gloom for me. I'd rather we snuff the flame than douse it with kerosene.

Global terrorisim isn't some doomsday cult. The actions of the entire world directly influence and empower it's violent proponents. We all make the bed in which we sleep.

-spence

Skitterpop · 09-05-2006, 01:39 PM

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Funny........I thought Americans stood together against Evil. But I guess that was in the old days.

You`re not funny just sad

stripersnipr · 09-05-2006, 01:48 PM

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You`re not funny just sad

Wow thats mature. How abut this one: I know you are but what am I?.............give me a break. I just remembered what I find most interesting about your posts.....nothing.

spence · 09-05-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit

We are at war with a determined enemy that has no respect whatsoever for human life, we should remember that everyday, and never forget what they did ,and what they will continue to do.

Back to the thread...I'd certainly agree that the enemy is determined.

But as for respect for human life, I'd throw on the table the notion that in the name of attacking military targets in Iraq and Afghanistan we've probably killed more innocent women and children that in all al Qaeda attacks combined.

This isn't to say your statement isn't true, but from an Islamic perspective...do we?

-spence

Skitterpop · 09-05-2006, 02:03 PM

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Wow thats mature. How abut this one: I know you are but what am I?.............give me a break. I just remembered what I find most interesting about your posts.....nothing.

I`m impressed.... anything reasonable or rational from you does`nt exist.