Question for 44mike44..

[spinncognito]

You have started several threads recently asking some basic questions. Here are some questions for you:

Are you finding the responses/answers helpful?

Have you learned anything from the responses/answers?

Do you feel better prepared to catch fish this season because you asked the questions?

One more:

Did you think by seeking answers here that you would have less to "learn" on the water?

Just curious...


spin

[eelman]

>>>>>>>>>

[cardnial77]

wow lets just completely bash a new member, for asking a few questions. seems to be a bit of this going on lately. something people need to consider before the engage in this kind of basing is that. Forums like this rely on sponsor dollars to keep the server running. Why would someone want to sponsor a site where new members are being run off?

[spinncognito]

Originally Posted by cardnial77

wow lets just completely bash a new member, for asking a few questions. seems to be a bit of this going on lately. something people need to consider before the engage in this kind of basing is that. Forums like this rely on sponsor dollars to keep the server running. Why would someone want to sponsor a site where new members are being run off?

I think when he finally answers the questions that you will see I was DEFENDING him, not bashing him.

[cardnial77]

spin my post was not directed at you, but the trend tword which alot of questions from new members have been answered. isn't that the whole point of a discussion board; to learn new things and share your knowledge with others?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Serenity Now, Gentlemen, Serenity Now

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Serenity Now, Gentlemen, Serenity Now

A little Controversy is good...Keeps the blood flowing..

[The Dad Fisherman]

I prefer serenity.....keeps my blood pressure down

[Mike P]

Here's a great idea--let's have a website where any new member gets a load of cow%$%$%$%$ dumped on their heads for having the nerve to ask questions the greybeards think are stupid. Let's dump a barrel of crap on their heads every time they do it, and discourage other newbies from joining. That way we'll have this clubby place like an old time tackle shop, where a few select regulars sit around a potbellied stove, drink coffee, and joke with the owner in the off-season, and where every tourist who walks in gets a smart-assed answer when they're not being totally ignored.

Sounds like a great way to attract new blood and keep a site from turning stale, and eventually dying off.

Any of you old-timers been back to the old WMI board, where many of us first met, in the last 3-4 years, where you have 18 month old posts still on the first page, and half of them don't even have a reply?

If that's the kind of website y'all want, say it now, and John can pull the plug, save a %$%$%$%$load of money, and spend more time being a husband and father.

If you don't want to answer the %$%$%$%$ing question, or if stupid questions annoy the hell out of you, don't open the %$%$%$%$ing thread---how hard is that?

[bart]

great post!

[piemma]

The board is not in existance just for the "newbies" Mike. Some of the regulars like to read "good" stuff occasionally. Sorry for criticizing the quality of the questions. Perhaps you would prefer I don't have an opinion.

[eelman]

>>>>>>>>>>>

Done with this

[44mike44]

im only new at the surf game to be honest im confident i would outfit most of you talking a big game on here when it comes to boat im just trying to learn a new aspect of fishing

[Mike P]

Paul, I am never going to tell anyone not to have an opinion. But, after 2-3 days of seeing a new member's posts, and knowing that he's asking elementary questions that hold no interest, why does anyone bother reading them and let the posts get to them? That's what I have a hard time understanding

As funny as it may sound, I don't read every new thread/subject that goes up, especially since we just doubled the number of moderators. And I certainly don't reply to every one I read. There are even people on other websites that made my "ignore" list--like that CnR guy on SOL--simply because I want to toss my computer out the window when I open them.

[piemma]

Ok Mike. I'm going to just let it rest. It like the old story about opinions:they're like &%$%$#@ everyone has one and they all stink.

Semper Fi

Paul

[fishbones]

I'm happy to try to answer questions with my lousy opinions. I agree that having newbies makes the site fresh and in a lot of ways better. The more the merrier. I try to come on here and read new stuff and check out some of the cool plugs that guys build. I've learned a lot just by browsing different topics in here. But, it can be frustrating to come in here in the morning and see multiple posts from a new person wanting the answers to all of the questions that have been answered over and over in here. I guess what I'm saying is that moderation is good and most people won't jump down your throat if you ask one question at a time and take time to digest the responses. To use a surf fishing analogy, you wouldn't walk down to the water in your waders and splash in making all kinds of noise without checking the water to see if there are fish feeding in close. You'd probably approach slowly, take in the scene and slowly wade in before making your casts. Just my .02. Welcome to all of the newbies and enjoy the site.

[keeperreaper]

[QUOTE=Mike P;570888]Paul, I am never going to tell anyone not to have an opinion. But, after 2-3 days of seeing a new member's posts, and knowing that he's asking elementary questions that hold no interest, why does anyone bother reading them and let the posts get to them?

Someone just made an ignore list.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I'm happy to try to answer questions with my lousy opinions. I agree that having newbies makes the site fresh and in a lot of ways better. The more the merrier. I try to come on here and read new stuff and check out some of the cool plugs that guys build. I've learned a lot just by browsing different topics in here. But, it can be frustrating to come in here in the morning and see multiple posts from a new person wanting the answers to all of the questions that have been answered over and over in here. I guess what I'm saying is that moderation is good and most people won't jump down your throat if you ask one question at a time and take time to digest the responses. To use a surf fishing analogy, you wouldn't walk down to the water in your waders and splash in making all kinds of noise without checking the water to see if there are fish feeding in close. You'd probably approach slowly, take in the scene and slowly wade in before making your casts. Just my .02. Welcome to all of the newbies and enjoy the site.

Great analogy

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by cardnial77

wow lets just completely bash a new member, for asking a few questions. seems to be a bit of this going on lately. something people need to consider before the engage in this kind of basing is that. Forums like this rely on sponsor dollars to keep the server running. Why would someone want to sponsor a site where new members are being run off?

Don't believe that any bashing is going on,

simply an effort to make the new member a bit more concise.
Is that so wrong ?

Also, in the vein of this thread.............

44mike, here is some suggested reading where you will find alot of helpful info, also.
In no particular order:

Striper Surf by Frank Daignault
On the Run by David DiBenedetto
Reading the Water by Robert Post
Fishing NE: A RI Shore Guide by "On the Water"
To Catch a Bass by Tim Coleman
Atlantic Surf Fishing by Lester Boyd
The Complete Book of Striped Bass Fishing by Woolner and Lyman
The Compleat Guide to Surfcasting by Ron Arra
The Art of Surfcasting with Lures by Zeno Hromin
Secrets of Surf Fishing at night by Doc Muller
The Surf Caster's Guide to the Striper Coast by DJ Muller
Baits, Rigs, and Tackle by Vic Dunaway

There are tons more, EXCELLENT reads out there.................

But these should be gooooood starter selections for your library
and Trophy Brain. these guys are the masters. Anything by "Crazy Al" Alberto Knie/Steve McKenna/Bill "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&" Nolan/"DZ" Dennis Zambrotta, mostly articles (see the net), and Canalman edits a sweet weekly publication "The Fisherman". ALL of these sources will answer many of yer questions and fine tune your posts, once you've had the chance to do some "homework" .

Questions are encouraged and answered in a variety of ways,
how else does one learn and are the wily veterans able to
keep it reel in here ?

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Thats exactly the tone of mikes post...and it was a little mello dramatic..No one said what you say mike...its just that in general people dont want to work at anything anymore..No one wants the site shut down...There is a search feature, and there is common sense..But in all fairness everyone is entiteled to an opinion right or wrong

You and I go back 10 years or so, Bill. Discussions make websites. Without them, they die. I undertand your point, and Paul's--you want to engage in discussions that have quality content. That's all well and good, but the way I look at it, there are two kinds of sharpies--those who want to engage in internet talk, and those who'd rather rub dogcrap in their hair than talk about fishing online. The first group are already on this site, and we'll never get the second group here, ever.

So, in order to grow--newbies have to be attracted. And my opinion--for whatever it's worth--is that ragging on the ones who do register and ask questions we find basic aren't the way to grow. You and I have seen other sites wither and die, for whatever reason. Usually, it's either too many fights, or not enough new blood.

[basswipe]

Jesus H Christ on a Effing Crutch!

Don't like the questions,don't respond.He's asking basic elementary questions.

If you don't ask questions you'll never learn.This whole attitude of no one wanting to work for anything is bullshiite.I've been in the trades a long time and if I had a penny for every question NOT asked I'd be a freakin' billionare.....and some really STUPID mistakes would've been avoided.

Just stop.If you don't like 44mike44 questions then don't respond, don't offer an opinion.Just because he wants to learn doesn't mean he isn't willing to work for the end result.This guy's been judged by a couple and y'all don't even know him.

[44mike44]

to defend my questions - its funny how you call them basic and all but when you actually read them theyre more opinion than anything. for example, what color pp? hmm do you personal have scientific evidence that proves you know the exact answer to that question? can the answers be found everywhere? obviously not because A: not everyone agreed. B: Theres a reason pp makes different colors. i was under the impression this is for discussion fishing related topics. if thats the case then maybe im not the one who needs the wake up call.

[bart]

trust me, its not you that needs a wake-up call

[The Dad Fisherman]

Mike, no need to defend your questions. you keep asking them. Those who want to will answer you and you will get the answers you are looking for.

Welcome aboard and enjoy...this is a great site with a lot of useful info.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Mike P

You and I go back 10 years or so, Bill. Discussions make websites. Without them, they die. I undertand your point, and Paul's--you want to engage in discussions that have quality content. That's all well and good, but the way I look at it, there are two kinds of sharpies--those who want to engage in internet talk, and those who'd rather rub dogcrap in their hair than talk about fishing online. The first group are already on this site, and we'll never get the second group here, ever.

So, in order to grow--newbies have to be attracted. And my opinion--for whatever it's worth--is that ragging on the ones who do register and ask questions we find basic aren't the way to grow. You and I have seen other sites wither and die, for whatever reason. Usually, it's either too many fights, or not enough new blood.

Point well taken

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by 44mike44

to defend my questions - its funny how you call them basic and all but when you actually read them theyre more opinion than anything. for example, what color pp? hmm do you personal have scientific evidence that proves you know the exact answer to that question? can the answers be found everywhere? obviously not because A: not everyone agreed. B: Theres a reason pp makes different colors. i was under the impression this is for discussion fishing related topics. if thats the case then maybe im not the one who needs the wake up call.

Mike I'm not sure if you're response is directed at me.When I say "basic" I mean good solid commonsense questions that can have many different answers.I'm all for question asking whether its basic or not.

[44mike44]

no your ok piemma is another story

[piemma]

oh oh Mike's mad at Paulie!

[44mike44]

yea i got an issue you with you buddy
you think you know it all? dont want to answer questions? get off the computer

[Adam_777]