Learning on your own? anyone do this anymore?

[eelman]

Originally Posted by spinncognito

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, why is it you come here every day if not partly for the questions? Have you not answered so many yourself? To call them "stupid" now makes you seem stupid for ever answering any. But you are not stupid by any stretch and your shared fishing knowlege is appreciated by countless individuals who have learned from what you have posted. I have never caught a fish while sitting at my keyboard but I have taken bits and pieces of the info found here with me to the water and yes, it has helped me.
This may not be the new B&T but most guys who own/operate a B&T also have product available online and get customers from forums like this.

spin

I answer what I feel like answering at the time and depending on mood...I come here because its fun to come here and because I have been a member since day one when John started it, I have helped many guys and will continue to do so...I just made a statement asking a question of my own

Some posts I just have fun with, others I take serious, but I have helped people...The problem is they dont listen and continue to ask the same thing over and over and over....looking for a holy grail that cannot be found without personal determination and old hard work. Some questions are asked over and over in ways just to get the answer they are looking for to justify whatever is is there looking for...

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I just made a statement asking a question of my own

You ask stupid questions...

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

You ask stupid questions...

I guess your right, it was stupid

[bart]

jesus christ the dude sweat between F18 and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is really getting disgusting. uke:

so people should learn on their own, thats what you're saying? here's a couple of your quotes from earlier in the yr...


"Anyone who wants the inside scoop on any fall hotspot in rhody can send me a Pm. "

Do you have to be carefull who you tell what? yes to a point..but more than a few things happened this year that puts things in perspective..you all know what they are...life is to short..I want to see people succed..I do not have a son or anyone else to pass along what I have learned in the surf to...I also realize that the reason most wont tell you is that they want to remain "on top" I was there at one point also, I know, its not that giving up the spot in and of itself is the problem...the truth is the fear that someone elses eel will in that water will land bigger and better than you...it happens, its competition all the way....there is a point to the crowd factor but still, when someone asks me nicely now I tell them, want to se the catch a nice fish...it comes with age I guess, the loss of friends, the maturity to realize its only a fish and yes to be honest a change I have made from surf to boat, I learned alot in the surf, if I can help a young guy who has the stamina and will power to stomp the suds all night...I dont mind pointing them in the right direction...\

get your story straight...

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

I found out that spinning rod and reel combos make you grow breasts

Really..

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by bart

jesus christ the dude sweat between F18 and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is really getting disgusting. uke:

For from it...More fun to come...

[eelman]

What the internet is good for I guess is the closeness you guys have developed, its like a big boys club, trips together friendships etc..a community of like minded people who have struck up long and lasting meaningfull friendships...Other than that as for the advice part, I am not so sure it works because of the overwhelming difference of opinions.As I have said, I certainly have mine.

I skirt around the edges, never wanting to be to close, but I have a made a couple of friends online from this site which I am thankfull for..It was never about learning anything for me...And I am very funny when it comes to who I will fish or socialize with, just the way I am...Every gets something different from things...I enjoy coming on here for the lighthearted stuff more than the serious stuff..

[Joe]

The message boards are good for sounding ideas or for when a person want to know how someone else did with a certain lure or a particular technique - a well-answered question can shorten the learning curve. I've heard over on the big message board that the message board is the best resource, the best learning tool short of experience. That's not so true - if it was, I would not have sold so many copies of Zeno's book.
My wife likes to watch home improvement shows and she's been watching for years, but she still can't hang a set of blinds. I'm of the opinion that the internet and the message board medium are quite similar to television: while there is a lot of good information, it lacks unity and coherence and the learning method is highly passive. The message board and the give and take associated with asking questions is a wonderful and useful tool, but it is not without shortcomings.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by bart

jesus christ the dude sweat between F18 and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is really getting disgusting. uke:

so people should learn on their own, thats what you're saying? here's a couple of your quotes from earlier in the yr...


"Anyone who wants the inside scoop on any fall hotspot in rhody can send me a Pm. "

Do you have to be carefull who you tell what? yes to a point..but more than a few things happened this year that puts things in perspective..you all know what they are...life is to short..I want to see people succed..I do not have a son or anyone else to pass along what I have learned in the surf to...I also realize that the reason most wont tell you is that they want to remain "on top" I was there at one point also, I know, its not that giving up the spot in and of itself is the problem...the truth is the fear that someone elses eel will in that water will land bigger and better than you...it happens, its competition all the way....there is a point to the crowd factor but still, when someone asks me nicely now I tell them, want to se the catch a nice fish...it comes with age I guess, the loss of friends, the maturity to realize its only a fish and yes to be honest a change I have made from surf to boat, I learned alot in the surf, if I can help a young guy who has the stamina and will power to stomp the suds all night...I dont mind pointing them in the right direction...\

get your story straight...

You make no point at all, I said I dont mind helping people ? And I have given that out! So what exactly is your point...even still, even if that was offered, wouldent you still want to learn on your own? and what does it have to do with what I said, thats something I offered

Oh and I repeat that offer....any and all Surf spots that I fished can be obtained by sending me a PM And I will glady direct you to them...The private ones and all !

I acually have one that is awesome during the last week in may and would like nothing better than to put a crowd there, you can take what you learn here and put it to use in a prime spot

[fishbones]

I learned from fishing with my father and grandfather. I certainly didn't learn to be a "sharpie", but I learned enough to go out and become addicted to fishing and have a lot of fun. I also learned by going into the local B&T's when I was old enough to drive myself around. When I joined this site, I was amazed at the knowledge a lot of the people here had, and I lurked and paid attention. I took information and used some of it and disregarded a lot of it. What I have learned most here is that a lot of people will be very helpful and gladly share things...especially if you contribute to the community here. I also learned that most people have opinions about what gear to use and what bait/lures to use. And, we all know what opinions are like. The best advice that I have picked up here though is to just go out and fish as much as you can. The internet is great and has tons of information, but there is no substitute for being out there experiencing it.

I understand people asking questions, but it's too often that someone signs up here and then starts threads about every aspect of striper fishing "what, when, where, why and how" under the sun. The search feature here will probably give most people enough information to keep them busy until the spring migration. Too many people want instant gratification and don't want to do the research or work themselves.

Maybe John R could set up the site so that new members could only start a thread if they had a certain # of posts under their belt? That way, they could really become familiar with the site and could contribute to threads started by other members.

[Clogston29]

To me, the problem isn’t the asking of questions, its that a lot of people want there to be only one answer to their question and they want it to be easy and something that they don’t have to think about and experiment with.

Example: What’s the best lure for stripers? They want someone to tell them what it is and how to fish it and they want that to work. They don’t want to hear that it depends on conditions, structure, current, etc. They don’t want to accept that it’s an ever changing thing even in a given spot and that they’re going to have to spend tons time and experience lots of failure in order to figure it out.

Questions and opinions (stress that opinions, not facts) offered in response to questions are great if they are taken, thought about, applied, evaluated, tweaked, applied, evaluated, etc.

IMHO the problem isn’t people asking questions, its people wanting it to be easy. Its not, and that has to be accepted and enjoyed or you should just pick something else to do with your time.

[OffTheHook13]

Did you know????

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I learned from fishing with my father and grandfather. I certainly didn't learn to be a "sharpie", but I learned enough to go out and become addicted to fishing and have a lot of fun. I also learned by going into the local B&T's when I was old enough to drive myself around. When I joined this site, I was amazed at the knowledge a lot of the people here had, and I lurked and paid attention. I took information and used some of it and disregarded a lot of it. What I have learned most here is that a lot of people will be very helpful and gladly share things...especially if you contribute to the community here. I also learned that most people have opinions about what gear to use and what bait/lures to use. And, we all know what opinions are like. The best advice that I have picked up here though is to just go out and fish as much as you can. The internet is great and has tons of information, but there is no substitute for being out there experiencing it.

I understand people asking questions, but it's too often that someone signs up here and then starts threads about every aspect of striper fishing "what, when, where, why and how" under the sun. The search feature here will probably give most people enough information to keep them busy until the spring migration. Too many people want instant gratification and don't want to do the research or work themselves.

Maybe John R could set up the site so that new members could only start a thread if they had a certain # of posts under their belt? That way, they could really become familiar with the site and could contribute to threads started by other members.

Awesome post and said better than me! Exactly The everything under the sun stuff should be on another board and made a sticky or something, so you dont have to answer the same question 10 billion times...But good post

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

To me, the problem isn’t the asking of questions, its that a lot of people want there to be only one answer to their question and they want it to be easy and something that they don’t have to think about and experiment with.

Example: What’s the best lure for stripers? They want someone to tell them what it is and how to fish it and they want that to work. They don’t want to hear that it depends on conditions, structure, current, etc. They don’t want to accept that it’s an ever changing thing even in a given spot and that they’re going to have to spend tons time and experience lots of failure in order to figure it out.

Questions and opinions (stress that opinions, not facts) offered in response to questions are great if they are taken, thought about, applied, evaluated, tweaked, applied, evaluated, etc.

IMHO the problem isn’t people asking questions, its people wanting it to be easy. Its not, and that has to be accepted and enjoyed or you should just pick something else to do with your time.

Kind of what I said but get in trouble for, but basically I agree and its what I am saying in general...I said they ask the question multiple ways to get the answer that suits them

[OffTheHook13]

Maybe some of the newbs are trying to fit in.

Why criticize?

The whole purpose of these boards is to post BS.

Get you through the winter.

No need to try and make anyone feel like they are an idiot if they ask a question you may think is stupid.

[eelman]

All Barts investigative work shows is that I do infact help people the best I can...

[bart]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

You make no point at all

in one post you say that people should learn on their own and then in another you say you will tell people anything they want to know....i wouldn't exactly call that learning on your own. but in your world, two opposing statements tend to mean the same thing.

on another note, this is getting ridiculous. the people that bitch about the internet are the ones who profit the most from it. and the people saying that this site is going downhill are the same ones that are contributing to the downfall.

i personally love this site and i think John does a great job. it's the self proclaimed sharpies/internet heroes that are bringing it down IMHO

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

so you dont have to answer the same question 10 billion times...But good post

Thats one of the points I'm trying to make....you don't HAVE to answer the same question 10 billion times....you can always just ignore it.

someone who wants to answer it is more than welcome to....

and the people that come here for instant gratification you can simply point them to the search feature..... and if they don't want to bother with that....once again nobody's twisting anybodies arm to answer their question.

and you can't realistically run a board where you won't let people ask questions....nobody will stick around a board like that.

[Goose]

If everything is cut and dry then there will be nothing to discuss and bitch about. I think a lot of the guys who"fished all their lives" won't admit it but they learn chit when all the new-bees ask and remind them of this and that. It seems like you wanna communicate and interact so much that it bugs you that its same questions that come up and you can't make them see it your way, hell i like putting in my .02 just as much as anyone else. If your sitting at your favorite tackle shop and some knew-bee asks an old or dumb question let some else answer.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by bart

this may sound like a stupid question, and i've already had it answered once by a knowlegable fisherman, but i just wanted some other opinions. i've never chummed herring before, this year i'm planning on doing so while throwing plugs. i have a mesh eel bag that i was going to load up with little chunks, tie to my wader belt, and then wade out there on the bar(most of you know where i'm talking about). is this a good idea? basically i wanna know if i should worry about sharks at all. i was told that they aren't many inshore species of shark and that the most i'd have to worry about would be gettting bumped by a big fish(this happened to me last season in the dead of night, freaked me out! but i've been thinking about it more because of the shark sightings last year. i was actually wading out there this past fall when they were seen, helicopters and boats everywhere. talked to a surfer that said he saw about six of em. for my own peace of mind what do y'all think. thanks in advance.

Great question

[OffTheHook13]

Bottom line....

If you don't like it, don't read it.

[ThomCat]

Hang in there, Bill, winter's petering out and the cabin fever's going to start disapating.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by ThomCat

Hang in there, Bill, winter's petering out and the cabin fever's going to start disapating.

I should be working with you soon

well at least we have some chatter

[bart]

ok so what is your point. that was like my first post here 4 yrs ago.

and if anyone would like to read a nice piece on how to ruin your life by fishing check out #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s article on the SWE site.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by bart

ok so what is your point. that was like my first post here 4 yrs ago.

and if anyone would like to read a nice piece on how to ruin your life by fishing check out #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s article on the SWE site.

its on this site also, your so good at searching(better than fishing acuallly) I am surprised you missed that

Its down in the articles section

[chris L]

hep me hep me hep me . Im on fire . hep me hep me

I only say stupid things never ask too many questions smart or stupid . Im not stupid Im with stupid .

now back to saturday night .
how many beers did I have ?

[fishsmith]

So what is better mono or braid?

[bart]

....This is what PM's are for, Please

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

So what is better mono or braid?

I'm not sure about braid, but I had mono in high school and it was awful. I missed the beginning of the baseball season because of it. My friends told me that chick was bad news, but I had to find out for myself.

[chris L]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

So what is better mono or braid?

no right answer with out more info like where , when , why , how come , and do you lower the toilet seat .
we dont give info for freee . thats fity sent thank you