Surfcasting and boats near shore

[Slingah]

In my outings it rarely happens...I mostly fish weekdays too and late nite /early am hours, and it has only happened really a few times, hardly worth getting in a lather over it. I did once yell at a boat that set up in front of me once a couple years back...it was pre dawn and he was in my way...so I flashed my light first, then said a few choice things....well he replied..."sorry a$$hole I didnt see you there!"...then took off......looks like I was the a$$hole that morning

[Got Stripers]

If you think that crap is isolated to shore fishing think again. I can't count the number of times I've been fishing isolated structure, only to have guys come right on top of me, drop anchor and start flinging their chunks right on the structure I'm fishing. No offense to you charter guys, but I'd say in my personal experience, they are the worst offenders. Not sure why that is, maybe it's the pressure to put their clients on fish and it matters not who was on the spot first.

[BigFish]

Its because they feel they have more of a right to it than you do Bob! Its called ignorance!

[Blitzseeker]

At night I think you have to give boaters the benefit of the doubt that they don't know you're there onshore, though they certainly should know the beach is nearby and be mindful of that anyway. I would never cast near a boat at night.

If the light is coming up, and they can clearly see you onshore casting into the water without any doubt and you were there first, and you're not in a heavy boat traffic area like a breachway, then I can't see how any rational human being would say the boat shouldn't stay out of your casting range. Those are the situations where I adhere to the "warning shot" methodology of making sure they see my lure hit the water right nearby. That always snaps them out of it and moves them along. The frequency with which that happens convinces me that the boaters know they were pushing the envelope too far and are out of bounds....I've never had anyone yell in at me from a boat when I splashed one down near them in daylight. In most things in life, quiet departure by one party during a disagreement means the quiet departing party knows they f'ed up.

[redlite]

I have hemmed and hawed about posting this cause every time I talk about it I start foaming in the mouth. will try and explain this as Politically Correct way without giving too many details or swearing.
lately I have been paying a boat to take me to fish a particuar island, drop me off to comm fish, then pick me up in the morn. it is a very, very long walk to where I fish. I then swim out to rock. now last week when I was there, using my headlght very openly, bailing fish, about 10 pm a boat comes putting in to just out of casting range with an eel, drops anchor, and starts to fish. FISH GONE. I yell at him, be the better man, swim my fish in hump em to my drop point. come back, boat is gone. swim back out, start bailing fish and along comes arsewhole again, putts in again, drops anchor again. not another fish rest of night. man was I PIZZED.
so this weekend I bring young Maximilius with me. Get out to spot, swim out, 3rd cast hook up to a decent fish, and while I am fighting fish, you can guess what happened....the same Douche Bagalow comes along, drops anchor so close to us that we had to hold our eel casts so as not to put them in the boat. I think people could hear the f' bombs from Maximilius on the main land. we moved twice more and they kept doing it. the thought of swimmin out with a bag of rocks crosses my mind.
now a couple of notes. both times I was shining my light at them and asked them politely to move. then the other night it was bright it was bright as day. I can understand that when comm fishin and $s come in to mind all courtesy goes out window. but when you have a boat you can go everywhere. why park where a shore guy is casting to, regardless if I am swimming out. if I was a boat, would they do it? probably. another note a very close friend of mine knows the guy and says that's how he operates. well, a lot of things have crossed my mind of what I am capable of and about how I am going to react when said Douche Bagalow does it to me again. hopefully it won't

[hardbait]

I FEEL YOUR PAIN. MAYBE A KAMIKAZE MISSION, SWIM OUT AND CUT THE ANCHOR LINE.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by redlite

I have hemmed and hawed about posting this cause every time I talk about it I start foaming in the mouth. will try and explain this as Politically Correct way without giving too many details or swearing.
lately I have been paying a boat to take me to fish a particuar island, drop me off to comm fish, then pick me up in the morn. it is a very, very long walk to where I fish. I then swim out to rock. now last week when I was there, using my headlght very openly, bailing fish, about 10 pm a boat comes putting in to just out of casting range with an eel, drops anchor, and starts to fish. FISH GONE. I yell at him, be the better man, swim my fish in hump em to my drop point. come back, boat is gone. swim back out, start bailing fish and along comes arsewhole again, putts in again, drops anchor again. not another fish rest of night. man was I PIZZED.
so this weekend I bring young Maximilius with me. Get out to spot, swim out, 3rd cast hook up to a decent fish, and while I am fighting fish, you can guess what happened....the same Douche Bagalow comes along, drops anchor so close to us that we had to hold our eel casts so as not to put them in the boat. I think people could hear the f' bombs from Maximilius on the main land. we moved twice more and they kept doing it. the thought of swimmin out with a bag of rocks crosses my mind.
now a couple of notes. both times I was shining my light at them and asked them politely to move. then the other night it was bright it was bright as day. I can understand that when comm fishin and $s come in to mind all courtesy goes out window. but when you have a boat you can go everywhere. why park where a shore guy is casting to, regardless if I am swimming out. if I was a boat, would they do it? probably. another note a very close friend of mine knows the guy and says that's how he operates. well, a lot of things have crossed my mind of what I am capable of and about how I am going to react when said Douche Bagalow does it to me again. hopefully it won't

Most normal people would have been fuming also
I got aggrivated just reading it
good luck with that
if you can show restraint, you're a better man than I.
if that is his M.O. , he is just begging to learn a lesson is what it sounds like to me, that is just evil what the no class douchebag did.
As long as it's open water, that stuff will happen I guess. don't make it right but.....

[BigFish]

Redlite....I will go with you! He will bother you no more!

[piemma]

Mike:
I'd be pissed too. What can you really do about it? Short of carrying a side arm and firing a couple of shots across his bow, nothing. He's a jerk and if you start throwing plugs or tins at him he will pull anchor, move out of range and wait you out. Remember he's nice and comfy in his boat and you are in the water.
So I guess the answer is to try and reason with him. Explaining that you are also commercial may help but I doubt it with this guy. If it were legal I would shoot the bastards boat a couple of times.

[Brian L]

With all this talk about shooting people, maybe you ought to change your handle to Paulie Walnuts..

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Brian L

With all this talk about shooting people, maybe you ought to change your handle to Paulie Walnuts..

Brian, it the old Nam vet coming out of me...

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by piemma

Brian, it the old Nam vet coming out of me...

Im going nowhere freakin near you next time I see you out there!

[piemma]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Im going nowhere freakin near you next time I see you out there!

Jimmy, you know me better than that. I just hate reading stuff where guys like Mike (redlite), who's a good guy, get screwed with by some a*&$#le.

BTW, where you been? I have been where I see you all the time but I haven't been seeing you lately.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by piemma

Jimmy, you know me better than that. I just hate reading stuff where guys like Mike (redlite), who's a good guy, get screwed with by some a*&$#le.

BTW, where you been? I have been where I see you all the time but I haven't been seeing you lately.

been fishing the east side in new and unchartered waters, just trying new areas at night with eels. Didnt do any bass fishing this weekend, just island hopping with the kids.

[sokinwet]

1st guy usually gets priority in my book surf or boat.....but I'll admit to having had "words" with guy's who stake out a popular location on a busy day and then get irate if you get remotely close ...or worse ...late comers who pull into a location and pull the same stunt. I've experienced more problems with other boats than with surfcasters and giving a guy his surfcasting space is common sense but I don't think a boat making an occasional pass by your area is out of line (especially if you're drowning a chunk in 20 ft. on the bottom) and if it's spooking all the fish how come we're still catching right behind the boat?
On a humerous note...I was part of the ultimate boat/shore guy confrontation back in my bass tournament days. We were running to the North Hero area of Lake Champlain and had to go through about 1/2 mile of 1 ft. deep sand flats that led to a bridge at the entrance to the Hero section. Now you either had to trim up and dredge bottom through this section or goose it and literally fly at 60 MPH with only a little lower unit and the pad touching the water....being bass tournament guys in mega HP rockets we all chose the goose and go method. We had been told that you couldn't run the bridge (it was only about a 20 ft. opening) or you'd be DQ'ed so everyone opted for a Nascar style stop and go where you'd hit a deep hole at the bridge..chop the throttle..and pop back on plane in the blink of an eye before the sand grabbed you as you came out. Now unfortunately this little hole at the bridge was also a popular area for the local bait dunkers and the bridge was packed shoulder to shoulder when the flotilla of bass boats coming through at 6:30 AM took them by surprise. We were the 2nd boat through and I've never seen guys reel so fast or curse so much in my life I think the later boats took a few coffee's and sinkers but casualties were light. PS The drags on a couple of Zebco's and a Long Beach are no match for a Yammie 150 powered Ranger.

[piemma]

Great story!!!

[JoeBass]

From where I'm sitting I have a nice view of lake Champlain. That spot isn't just for bait dunkers. It's a great spot to catch landlocked salmon on the fly. I'd have been throwing coffee.

[sokinwet]

And I wouldn't blame you a bit JB...hell I'd have been throwing the whole thermos. Give a BASS guy a fishing shirt with a few sponsor patches and all common sense goes out the window.

[magpie]

Most times it is a misunderstanding or maybe the excitement of the moment. I was fishing from shore Monday morning, had a fish on, it was breaking water, and here comes a boat guy. Now it is fine with me enough fish to go around, but the guy almost runs the breaking fish over, then stops and starts casting toward me standing knee deep in water. He starts asking about how the bite is, I land my fish and say "fishing is good, did you see me playing the fish?" He says no. Then he starts trolling tube and worm in circles maybe 30 yards from me. I just move on...yes I was in a bit of disbelief but oh well...
He got zip nothing nada...I landed one more and held it up showing him the fish...sort of saying see dummy this is how it is done.

my two cents...

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by sokinwet

PS The drags on a couple of Zebco's and a Long Beach are no match for a Yammie 150 powered Ranger.

LOL. The lower unit seals on a Yami 150 are no match for 8lb mono. Been there done that. $$$$

[Brian L]

Originally Posted by sokinwet

1st guy usually gets priority in my book surf or boat.....but I'll admit to having had "words" with guy's who stake out a popular location on a busy day and then get irate if you get remotely close ...or worse ...late comers who pull into a location and pull the same stunt. I've experienced more problems with other boats than with surfcasters and giving a guy his surfcasting space is common sense but I don't think a boat making an occasional pass by your area is out of line (especially if you're drowning a chunk in 20 ft. on the bottom) and if it's spooking all the fish how come we're still catching right behind the boat?
On a humerous note...I was part of the ultimate boat/shore guy confrontation back in my bass tournament days. We were running to the North Hero area of Lake Champlain and had to go through about 1/2 mile of 1 ft. deep sand flats that led to a bridge at the entrance to the Hero section. Now you either had to trim up and dredge bottom through this section or goose it and literally fly at 60 MPH with only a little lower unit and the pad touching the water....being bass tournament guys in mega HP rockets we all chose the goose and go method. We had been told that you couldn't run the bridge (it was only about a 20 ft. opening) or you'd be DQ'ed so everyone opted for a Nascar style stop and go where you'd hit a deep hole at the bridge..chop the throttle..and pop back on plane in the blink of an eye before the sand grabbed you as you came out. Now unfortunately this little hole at the bridge was also a popular area for the local bait dunkers and the bridge was packed shoulder to shoulder when the flotilla of bass boats coming through at 6:30 AM took them by surprise. We were the 2nd boat through and I've never seen guys reel so fast or curse so much in my life I think the later boats took a few coffee's and sinkers but casualties were light. PS The drags on a couple of Zebco's and a Long Beach are no match for a Yammie 150 powered Ranger.

North Hero area is one of the most amazing bass fisheries, isn't it? I've had three trips up there, all of them amazing. Which bridge are you talking about?