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11-08-2008, 12:02 PM
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QUESTION !
Im on my last can of VAL-OIL  what should I change to, 
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11-08-2008, 12:19 PM
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How bout epoxy sealing?
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11-08-2008, 12:41 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Helsman spar urethane, clear satin. Very similar characteristics of the Val oil. Epoxy sealing is good too. I usually only do that with soft woods though, red and white cedar and sometimes AYC if I am in the mood.
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11-08-2008, 02:20 PM
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I dip in Behr exterior oil based primer, cut 50-50ish with mineral spirits
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11-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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propianite is simple
mix the beads with acetone
dip and dip dry
keaves a nice coating that seals the wood pores
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11-08-2008, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Helsman spar urethane, clear satin. Very similar characteristics of the Val oil. Epoxy sealing is good too. I usually only do that with soft woods though, red and white cedar and sometimes AYC if I am in the mood.
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2nd except its better than valoil, imo. |
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11-09-2008, 07:56 AM
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Canceled
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zar polyurethane sanding sealer is working for me.
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11-09-2008, 08:20 AM
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Slipknot, ACETONE  WOW I use to clean concrete off of bluestone w/ that stuff GREAT for etching or making EXPOSTED AGGRETE in walk an drive ways Im to old to change now guess Ill hunt some down an build up a supply.
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11-09-2008, 04:29 PM
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I think you mean acid, as in muriatic acid, not the same as acetone.
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11-09-2008, 09:37 PM
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ya, acetone is much different than muriatic acid 
acetone is just the solvent that delivers the plastic propianite beads to the wood, once it flashes off, you are left with wood saturated in plastic. I find it simpler than epoxy and almost as good.
you can get the propianite on the internet, acetone at paint stores
spar varnish works well also
you have to find yourself a system that works well for you for all the coatings |
The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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11-10-2008, 06:16 PM
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GOT IT 
thank you
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11-10-2008, 06:22 PM
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Old Guy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipknot
ya, acetone is much different than muriatic acid
acetone is just the solvent that delivers the plastic propianite beads to the wood, once it flashes off, you are left with wood saturated in plastic. I find it simpler than epoxy and almost as good.
you can get the propianite on the internet, acetone at paint stores
spar varnish works well also
you have to find yourself a system that works well for you for all the coatings |
do you have a link for the beads? can you pm it?
Thank you
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11-10-2008, 07:48 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
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I got some Bill if you want to buy them off me, real cheap.  I also got the addy of the guy I think too. Not the Swedish guy the S. Carolina guy, if'n you want it. |
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11-11-2008, 08:39 AM
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I am low and need more also, I got it from the guy in SC but don't have the contact anymore.
Paul go ahead and post it if you want, I doubt if any sponsors here sell sealer.
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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11-16-2008, 04:08 PM
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Covered in Sawdust
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Helsman spar urethane, clear satin. Very similar characteristics of the Val oil. Epoxy sealing is good too. I usually only do that with soft woods though, red and white cedar and sometimes AYC if I am in the mood.
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Do you cut helmspar with mineral spirits? Or just dip it? |
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11-16-2008, 04:33 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Yes, cut it by a third. I soak the plug in it. I have just used it a few times so far but it worked great. I do know guys who have been using for a while and they like it. I literally have at least 6 different solutions for sealing and jump around a lot but this one is very good and you can buy it most places. Worth using and I intend to use it more as I find it very similar to Val oil in how you use it and the end results. Val is getting too hard to come by anymore.
As far as the propionate goes I lost the info but if you go to Tackleunderground and look up the member Palmetto Balsa. He is the gentleman who sells it. His e-mail addy is in there too I just can't find it .
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11-16-2008, 05:18 PM
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Covered in Sawdust
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Yes, cut it by a third. I soak the plug in it. I have just used it a few times so far but it worked great. I do know guys who have been using for a while and they like it. I literally have at least 6 different solutions for sealing and jump around a lot but this one is very good and you can buy it most places. Worth using and I intend to use it more as I find it very similar to Val oil in how you use it and the end results. Val is getting too hard to come by anymore.
As far as the propionate goes I lost the info but if you go to Tackleunderground and look up the member Palmetto Balsa. He is the gentleman who sells it. His e-mail addy is in there too I just can't find it .
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Thanks! I'm looking for a new sealer, so i'm going to give it a shot. I have 2 quarts of it in the garage! |
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11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
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just make sure it is the clear satin from what I understand it does matter. Maybe Chris, PNG , can tell you why better than I.
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11-16-2008, 06:08 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Karl I think it has something to do with wax in the gloss or something to that effect. I do scuff with light sand paper or scotchbrite with any of the sealers i use though.
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11-16-2008, 07:07 PM
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Covered in Sawdust
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I usually scuff it up with a light sand paper before I prime.
Have you had any adhesion issues? I've had adhesion issues with proprionate/BIN, and a sanding sealer/BIN. So I'm trying new combinations.
I will look at the can of helmspar and see if it has any wax in its ingredients.
Great info on this thread!
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11-16-2008, 07:10 PM
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Covered in Sawdust
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Yes, it is the clear Satin.
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11-16-2008, 08:24 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
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no issues for me. I prefer Krylon primer. give it a try and let us know.
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11-17-2008, 04:55 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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problem I had with propionate/acetone is it evaporating . I'd go to use it again and jar be half full .. think its gone now .. I'm using cpes now ,wich is a great sealer/hardener , but after thats gone I'll be looking for something eles. PIA mixing 2 part sealer ,, I just want to dip ... no mix ..
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11-17-2008, 05:11 PM
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Yes Karl less sanding with satin, alot less. no wax in it.
I like it because its oil based and finsihes clean unlike valoil which isnt an oil more of a basterdised resin/laquer.
I found cpes excells on soft wood to penetrate & harden. 1 long soak > 2 dips or long cpes *dry* then dip in urethane to fill<tagger
Urethane (thinned) 1 long soak> 1 dip sand between always sand regardless what product label says cpes too.
use the spar, same as the clearshield just less uv stuff & cheaper
The only prob I have is finding a suitable container to soak a few plugs in with an easy access lid that seals. I do use bloxygen which displaces the o2 preventing drying in the container...
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11-17-2008, 05:56 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Yeah .What he said. thanks Chris |
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11-17-2008, 07:37 PM
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I have stumbled on it (VO) twice while shopping in mom and pop hardware stores. I just found four gallons the other day(bought one) next payday I am buying another. I like it a lot.
I am going to keep the other options in mind for later on down the road.
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11-19-2008, 02:21 PM
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Fishin' Fool
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKFISH
I think you mean acid, as in muriatic acid, not the same as acetone.
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Nope,not the same as acetone. Still not the best choice of chemicals to be exposing yourself to
http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Acetone-9927062
Last edited by StriperSniper; 11-19-2008 at 02:21 PM..
Reason: added MSDS
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11-19-2008, 06:29 PM
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would you believe I found some at Monark supply they had qt's an gal's YES ! I feel good  Im good for a few years now 
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11-29-2008, 08:58 PM
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Tried the Minwax Helmsman clear satin today. Cut it w/ pure turps 60/40. I bought a plastic 5 qt. sealable container from the hardware store. Soaked a couple of needles for a couple minutes. I want to see tomorrow how they coated the wood. Last years clear shield harden up. Couldn't find any today but they had the helmsman. i keep you posted.
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12-11-2008, 04:44 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipknot
I am low and need more also, I got it from the guy in SC but don't have the contact anymore.
Paul go ahead and post it if you want, I doubt if any sponsors here sell sealer.
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Stumbled onto this and remembered
http://www.tackleunderground.com/for...od-sealer.html |
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