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11-09-2008, 06:08 PM
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tree value
Here is a weird question. I have a 539 foot tall pine tree in my back yard that is 8 feet around. What is the value of this tree and how would you figure the value?
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11-09-2008, 06:23 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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I guess I would call a lumber mill?? They might be able to give you some guidance and they may even have an interest in buying it??
Oh....and that is a big damn tree!
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11-09-2008, 06:35 PM
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best call your insurance company first because if you got a 539' tall tree in your backyard then it's gonna leave ONE WHOPPER of a hole when you chop that sucker down
You'd have to get a certified arborist to look at that then the value if basically what it's worth to whoever chops the tree down...unless you hit it on the side of the highway then you best bend over and kiss your ass goodbye cuz the state is going to make you pay them $100million
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11-09-2008, 06:36 PM
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just curious. How did you determine the height was 539'?
sounds like a valuable tree.
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11-09-2008, 06:44 PM
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This tree is in my wooded lot and happens to be in the flight path of a small regional airport who wants it to come down. This tree due to size and location is one of those cornerstone trees on my property. Its removal would create a big hole and change the landscape look of my property. On the other side of the coin it would also now open the door for increased air traffic into this location. The FAA has limited air traffic into this location because of the tree height until it is removed. I am looking to see what my options are and possible compensation for the issue. It is one big mama tree!
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11-09-2008, 06:49 PM
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You can atually take a 10 foot stick and put it agains the tree and then snap a picture of the tree and the stick...then just measure how many stik lengths to the top of the tree....using a reference point
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11-09-2008, 06:49 PM
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Sounds like a typo,,,, Redwoods don't grow that tall,,,, If you got something that tall there might really be a lot of people interested in seeing it,,,
If he got the height of the tree from the FAA they probably gave him the height of the tree above Mean Sea Level not AGL
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11-09-2008, 06:54 PM
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I'd tell the FAA to go piss up a tree. They can't force you to take a tree down.
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11-09-2008, 08:22 PM
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Taking down that tree would certainly mean more money for that airport.
It's not so much "what's the value of the tree?" It's more, "what the value to the airport of that tree not being there?" More flights, means more usage fees...
They wouldn't be hounding you if it wasn't for their economic benefit - not in today's world at least.
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11-09-2008, 08:48 PM
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You may be right about the measurement above sea level. I got the number off the airport FAA survey. It lists the penetration into the airspace by the tree at 59' so I think the tree is like 150 ft give or take. Either way I am protecting my interest here and have an attorney involved.
If he got the height of the tree from the FAA they probably gave him the height of the tree above Mean Sea Level not AGL
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11-09-2008, 09:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Striperhound
You may be right about the measurement above sea level. I got the number off the airport FAA survey. It lists the penetration into the airspace by the tree at 59' so I think the tree is like 150 ft give or take. Either way I am protecting my interest here and have an attorney involved.
If he got the height of the tree from the FAA they probably gave him the height of the tree above Mean Sea Level not AGL
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No problem,,, the FAA is never to clear,,, If this is Saratoga County Airport (5B2) then your tree is not the only tree that is an issue for them,,, according to the notes for the Instrument departure procedures there are trees off the departure end of EVERY runway,,,,
Also by them saying the tree is 59' into the airspace usually they are taking about standard takeoff minimums which require an aircraft to make a 200'/nautical mile unobstructed climb gradient from the end of the runway.
And during this climb the obstacle clearance that must be provided is at 152'/nm out to about 25 nm or enroute altitude
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0811/NE2TO.PDF
you can scroll down and find the airport,,,,
Last edited by GattaFish; 11-09-2008 at 09:18 PM..
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11-09-2008, 09:23 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Location: Lakeville Ma.
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539' now thats a tree. I wouldn't think it is worth too much being a pine. Cost you more to have it brought down esp. if they can't just fell it and have to take down in pieces. Singular pines are not all that safe either. I had a pine come down last summer during that windy spell we had and total my babysitters car one day before it was to come down. Good luck.
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11-11-2008, 12:12 AM
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"Fishbucket"
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The tallest tree ever measured was an Australian eucalyptus (Eucalyptus regnans) at Watts River, Victoria, Australia. In 1872, it was reported to measure 435 feet tall. It was most likely over 500 feet at its tallest point.
According to the National Geographic Society, the tallest living tree is a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens) in Redwood National Park, California. In October 1991, its height was measured at 365 feet.
Source: The Guinness Book of Records 1996, p. 45.
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The tallest tree in the world is the Mendocino Redwood, which is a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens). It is 367.5 feet tall (112 meters), and it stands at the Montgomery Woods State Reserve near Ukiah in California. . It is estimated to be over 1000 years old. This tree has also been authenticated the tallest tree by the Guinness Book of World Records
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11-11-2008, 05:04 AM
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hey if it's nice wood can I have it for plugs? Wonder how many kits you could make out of that 
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11-11-2008, 07:56 AM
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i'd just top it
and put a tree house on top
oh and what is the airport offering you?
in exchange
anything?
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11-11-2008, 09:31 AM
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I'd hold out for a deal. Let the airport take it down, and pay you, as well. Then sell the tree to a local mill if possible. Either way airport should be responsible for all costs, including cleanup and insurance.
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11-12-2008, 06:57 AM
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The airport is offering to take it down, plant 3 tree's roughly 15 feet tall in the area to fill the space at no cost to me, cover the insurance and everything. If the tree comes down night time air traffic increases. At this point night air traffic is suspended since July because of the tree. I would rather just keep the tree up.
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11-12-2008, 07:14 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Hold out for a payoff Warren! $$$$$ 
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11-12-2008, 08:57 AM
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Great White Scup Hunter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Striperhound
The airport is offering to take it down, plant 3 tree's roughly 15 feet tall in the area to fill the space at no cost to me, cover the insurance and everything. If the tree comes down night time air traffic increases. At this point night air traffic is suspended since July because of the tree. I would rather just keep the tree up.
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Fertilize that tree and keep it,,,,,,,, Tell them an increase in air traffic at night will reduce the value of your home,,,,, So you want to be compensated for that too,,,,
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11-12-2008, 09:02 AM
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Hardcore Equipment Tester
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Tell em your great-great-great-great-great -great-great gand pappy planted it and the sentimental value is huge, like 6 figures huge 
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11-12-2008, 09:58 AM
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most or some towns
have a tree warden and you have to talk it over with them before you take down a tree that large or old in some cases...
and as others have mentioned ...cut that tree down
and you'll have certain flights flying a bit to low by mistake....
i've seen lots of tree damage from airplanes and had to clean it up on long driveways immediately after just cleaning it...because they were flying to low....in the past. 
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11-12-2008, 11:06 AM
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leave it, maybe you won't like the air traffic waking you up at night
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11-12-2008, 05:05 PM
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3 - 15' trees  Tell em to pound sand. My response would be Show Me The Money
If it can't fall and hit anything (like your house) I'd leave it be.
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11-12-2008, 06:02 PM
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Your property value will decrease if the planes are to become an annoyence for your neighborhood.
Ask them to buy your property with you being able to live there free with the exception of tax and insurance,
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