"MORON" plugs

[Back Beach]

aaaaaaaaaah, its winter.....plugs versus eels, wetsuit versus waders, and surf versus boat..

Lets turn the tables a bit and pit pluggers versus pluggers...

Which type of artificial do you feel produces the best with the least amount of required skill or fishing knowledge?

On the flip side, which type of artificial lures require the most input in terms of knowledge and skill?

[JohnR]

Storm Shad - Instant Expert

Lefthandedcurvedslowslinkinghydrodynamicallyoptimi zedswimmingneedlefish

[The Dad Fisherman]

Mambo Minnows

Bucktail Jigs

[Slipknot]

plugs like yozuri mag darters only need to be cast out there and anyone can catch a fish on it. Most poppers fall in this catagory also but at times pencils and spooks require a certain amount of skill.

As far as needing to add some skill, it depends on the condition and location you are plugging. Some plugs like danny's will catch better the way one fisherman retrieves it over the way another does believe it or not. Needles can fall in both catagories.

You usually have to figure out how the fish want it, unless it's a blitz and they bite any moving object.

Similar is how a jig bounces along the bottom of the canal, at most times a big pop off the bottom and they hit it on the drop works, but other times just drifting along they suck it in. sometimes they eat anything in front of them, and it takes no skill other than holding bottom.

Of course plugging from a boat is the easiest of all

[MVbluefish]

Bomber with a slow retrieve, can it get any easier? Buy any color at $7 at any tackle shop or Wallyworld tie it direct to your Ugly stick and Silstar graphite reel and bam for under $100 you can slay em' with the best of em'.
Bucktails are another story. Every spring I have to relearn how to bounce correctly to trigger strikes. Spooks and pencils also take some concentration to make them dance the right way.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Which type of artificial do you feel produces the best with the least amount of required skill or fishing knowledge?

Oh...........surely that would be a Rebel F90

[steve]

Bucktail with plastic or porkrind- easiest -------- Bucktail with plastic or porkrind- toughest-------- Storm shad type lure could also be used in both catagories.

[Flaptail]

The big Storm shads and other like rubber fish, I hear there are guys who fish the canal and buy dozens of them each year. Makes the average slug look like a superstar!

[ProfessorM]

Is rubber considered a plug now?

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

The big Storm shads and other like rubber fish, I hear there are guys who fish the canal and buy dozens of them each year. Makes the average slug look like a superstar!

NOW YOU TELL ME!!!!!!! you baztard......

[NIB]

I think this is a trick question..
I refuse to answer under the grounds that it may incriminate me.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

The big Storm shads and other like rubber fish, I hear there are guys who fish the canal and buy dozens of them each year. Makes the average slug look like a superstar!

That would be me you're describing, except for the superstar comment. Its all part of a three step program designed to transform hopeless slugs into productive citizens:

1. No more herring-cold turkey...

2. Use of rubber permitted, but mix in a Gibbs pencil when you can.

3. When they stop taking rubber and wood, go to eels....

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

Is rubber considered a plug now?

Hey Professor,

Read the original post closely as I edited it to say "artificial”. The word "Plug" is much too parochial

Don't get sidetracked by our resident purists Flap and Numby, either... they have plenty of dirty little secrets, I'm sure.

[Nebe]

floating needlefish

[JLH]

Easiest: Rubber Shad
Hardest: Sinking Needlefish

[Raven]

wellsley farms apple pie is damn good... mmm mm

this is a boat vrs surf question.... because you have to
be right on the money on shore... (usually)

with a boat or kayak you can troll or fish finder your way into aggressively feeding bass...then switch offerings

but on the shore it's more like the color of the day and or the presentation of the day or last couple of days

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Hey Professor,

Read the original post closely as I edited it to say "artificial”. The word "Plug" is much too parochial

Don't get sidetracked by our resident purists Flap and Numby, either... they have plenty of dirty little secrets, I'm sure.

Sorry Mike I didn't look close enough.
George has divulged a few to me. Flap never calls but I do watch him with binocs on occasion if he is in my area. Haven't seen anything dirty. Spring is all about top water plugs for me, howdy's, spooks.Pretty simple when fish are hungry. Summer is bait, trolling, and Fall is a little of both. I just like to fish, with a little less emphasis on catching. If it happens that's great. I just enjoy trying to fool the fish with plugs. To me that is the most fun. To me knowledge comes with repetition.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by steve

Bucktail with plastic or porkrind- easiest -------- Bucktail with plastic or porkrind- toughest-------- Storm shad type lure could also be used in both catagories.

Steve.
GREAT point.
So many nuances to jigging and throwing bucktails...
I under utilize these in the open non breachway surf...
I keep saying I'll fish more of them, but you know how it goes. I use the same three things ad nauseum

[cow tamer]

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[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

Sorry Mike I didn't look close enough.

Just bustin, bud.

As for Flap and Numby, they like to play in the grey area with eelskin coated wood, smelly jelly, sex toys, and the like. Watch out for those guys when they try to take the high ground in this debate.....hypocrites they be......

[Mike P]

If you can't catch a fish on a Storm or Tsunami shad, you need to take up golf.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Storm Shad - Instant Expert

Lefthandedcurvedslowslinkinghydrodynamicallyoptimi zedswimmingneedlefish

don't you KNOW it me bruddah!!
still have yet to catch with the tricky needdle,


spooks, atoms, swimmers, redfins, bottles, danny's, darters, and
porn shads~~ almost instant success!! the MOST successful fish finder
and lure for me though, is the SLUGGO. steve is right, once again.

takes sum time to master, sorta like rubbing yer belly and patting yer head, but once you get it down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will catch more fish and with greater consistency.
doan fuhgeddah bout the eeeeeeeel potion at yer favorite local in-the-know B&T.

haven't given the jig-&-pig a reel shot, yet. then again, i DON'T feesh the Canal either. hope to in '09.
which pole #'s am i supposed to memorize and when Tony, BF, MikeP

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Just bustin, bud.

As for Flap and Numby, they like to play in the grey area with eelskin coated wood, smelly jelly, sex toys, and the like. Watch out for those guys when they try to take the high ground in this debate.....hypocrites they be......

I know you are. Remember I am a Franklin High grad with ADD. I miss a lot.
I would not speak for them but I think G. and F. have done the live bait, trolling, eels thing many times over the years and have evolved to find the plug thing to be more rewarding for them. kind of how I feel. I just like foolin em on wood. I do know G told me that one of his fishin buddies fishes eels 98% of the time so i don't think he holds anything against people that do it. I will say when we went out in his boat this late fall I left 2 doz. eels at home because I was nervous he had a no eels policy. We used plugs only and didn't catch much but I enjoyed the hell out of catching not much.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

I do know G told me that one of his fishin buddies fishes eels 98% of the time so i don't think he holds anything against people that do it. .

Shhhhhhhhhh. Just because he's my fishing buddy doesn't mean I don't consider him a morally corrupt despicable incompetent evolutionary dead end. And that would be on his good days.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Just bustin, bud.

As for Flap and Numby, they like to play in the grey area with eelskin coated wood, smelly jelly, sex toys, and the like. Watch out for those guys when they try to take the high ground in this debate.....hypocrites they be......

oH NO, WAIT A MINUTE HERE NOW! I never ever did anything with sex toys. Jelly and eelskins maybe but no sex toys. That's all Numbys thing.

[Tagger]

I think whatever requires the least skill is the best fish catching tool ..
1. chunk
2. eel
3. jigg
4. plug
After that its the quality of your fishing hole ,wether you found it yourself or were put on it .

The plug I like best is a slow sink needle (8'-20' of water)for larger fish and also requires very litte skill . reel slow but don't get hung up on the bottom . floater for shallower water . I think throwing a jigg at the canal is the most physicly demanding fishing I do .. Close second would be running on the rocks behind Numby being both physicly and mentaly abusive .

[bart]

2 oz shad and a chicken scratch mambo(slow retrieve)

black bomber(slow retrieve)

[piemma]

3/3X VMC treble and a 1 pound live bunnker....oH sorry that not a plug either

[NIB]

Originally Posted by piemma

3/3X VMC treble and a 1 pound live bunnker....oH sorry that not a plug either

Might not be a plug but that certainly is idiot proof..

[Crafty Angler]

Black Mambo or olive and white -

Bernzy Surf Howdy, either size, in pogie -

1.5 oz Habs needle, white or eel -

And not quite idiot proof, but my new favorite for this particular idiot - a topwater which I don't often fish - a white Habs canal-style pencil