rec vs comm? not the issue. - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

maddmatt · 03-20-2009, 12:41 PM

some of you guys seem consumed over who gets what fish, how many or how big they need to be.

those of us who fish the cape seashore just lost the use of lead. sinkers are obvious. how bout your fav custom weighted pencil or danny?

theyre be gone too. leadheads anyone? for sale cheap. they're even changing the guards ammo to non tox. at least i won't be poisoned when they shoot me.

next its lead everywhere. the canal, jeffrey's, george's

the canal is federal, the banks are outside state water, not that far of a reach for the evergrowing, everknowing, allseeing federal gov.

individual states will soon follow

move over, your fav spot just got more crowded and that secret spot ain't so secret anymore.

nontoxics like bismuth or tungston?

pencils will be 60$ and your 3 oz. bucktail will be 50

have a great bass season.

i won't

snake slinger · 03-20-2009, 12:53 PM

you cant use lead in maine

BigFish · 03-20-2009, 03:16 PM

They will have to pry my lead weighted plugs from my cold dead hands!

Not to mention they will have to cut them open to see if they have lead so....that won't happen! They can't even spend enough time catching poachers so they stand a fat chance in hell of regulating people who have weight in their plugs!

ProfessorM · 03-20-2009, 04:40 PM

That is what I was thinking too. Good luck to them
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Sweetwater · 03-20-2009, 04:59 PM

They need to put some common sense into this "anti-lead" legislation. The primary concern has always been small sized leads (such as from small split-shot or shot from shotgun shells). This is because birds and other critters will ingest them.

I can't imagine that a 1/2 oz or larger piece of lead is a major environmental issue, and certainly not large lead sinkers used for bait fishing (typically 2-8 oz) or lead encased in a plug or formed as a jighead.

But who knows the way our gov't is going lately, the very phrase "common sense" no longer applies.

numbskull · 03-20-2009, 06:12 PM

Wait until they find out what the bottom of the canal is paved with.

Sea Dangles · 03-20-2009, 06:38 PM

This is an outstanding idea and will prove fruitful for fish and man alike.

MikeToole · 03-21-2009, 09:32 AM

I do not think this even compares with the issues of protecting fish to ensure we have enough. I can work around not having lead, but I can not work around no fish.

First off I do not agree with stopping the use of lead over 1 oz but this is no giant show stopper.

Yesterday I bought Sluggo weights and they were lead free weight with little difference in cost. All of the weights sold in NH under an oz are non-lead so availability has not been an issue. Other then Cod fishing I have not used lead sinkers over the past few years, use iron (up to 6 oz) at no cost. I do not see this increasing thecost of plugs that much, we're not going to be using gold. May be harder to put a bigger size weght in a plug in some cases but in most cases it can be done.

Jigs will be the real issue for the people who make their own. But there are other metals available that manufactures can use that won't increase the price that much, except for the people who need a couple of hundred a year.

MakoMike · 03-21-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToole

I do not think this even compares with the issues of protecting fish to ensure we have enough. I can work around not having lead, but I can not work around no fish.

First off I do not agree with stopping the use of lead over 1 oz but this is no giant show stopper.

Yesterday I bought Sluggo weights and they were lead free weight with little difference in cost. All of the weights sold in NH under an oz are non-lead so availability has not been an issue. Other then Cod fishing I have not used lead sinkers over the past few years, use iron (up to 6 oz) at no cost. I do not see this increasing thecost of plugs that much, we're not going to be using gold. May be harder to put a bigger size weght in a plug in some cases but in most cases it can be done.

Jigs will be the real issue for the people who make their own. But there are other metals available that manufactures can use that won't increase the price that much, except for the people who need a couple of hundred a year.

I'm guessing you don't bottom fish with sinkers from 2 to 20 ounces?

freebie · 03-21-2009, 05:13 PM

at least it will help stop the netters, they use lead to get their nets down don't they? what will they use now?, I'm not giving up my lead and neither is anyone I know

MikeToole · 03-21-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

I'm guessing you don't bottom fish with sinkers from 2 to 20 ounces?

You guess wrong. I still use lead for cod fishing but steel, up to 6 oz, from the beach and boat. I'm not supporting this rule change, just saying it is something I could live with and not as big a deal as the first poster made it out to be.

cape2fish · 03-22-2009, 02:38 PM

I think it is inevitable so we will need to adjust. Some folks will even profit from the change. Take a look at an alternative that was given out at last year's Vineyard Derby.

http://www.pallatrax.co.uk/Products/StonzeSystem.aspx

I haven't tried them yet but folks that make their own sinkers could switch to rocks and wouldn't have to worry about the toxic fumes of lead!

MikeToole · 03-22-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cape2fish

I think it is inevitable so we will need to adjust. Some folks will even profit from the change. Take a look at an alternative that was given out at last year's Vineyard Derby.

See, problem solved

clambelly · 03-22-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeToole

I do not think this even compares with the issues of protecting fish to ensure we have enough. I can work around not having lead, but I can not work around no fish.

First off I do not agree with stopping the use of lead over 1 oz but this is no giant show stopper.

Yesterday I bought Sluggo weights and they were lead free weight with little difference in cost. All of the weights sold in NH under an oz are non-lead so availability has not been an issue. Other then Cod fishing I have not used lead sinkers over the past few years, use iron (up to 6 oz) at no cost. I do not see this increasing thecost of plugs that much, we're not going to be using gold. May be harder to put a bigger size weght in a plug in some cases but in most cases it can be done.

Jigs will be the real issue for the people who make their own. But there are other metals available that manufactures can use that won't increase the price that much, except for the people who need a couple of hundred a year.

i think the original posters intention in saying rec v. comm?not the issue, was that we have bigger things to worry about, like our own Gov't legislating us up the ass.

comms and recs alike need to be very wary of any new legislation that comes down the pike, because it is likely to effect both sides in a negative way..

friggin liberals...

maddmatt · 03-23-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by clambelly

i think the original posters intention in saying rec v. comm?not the issue, was that we have bigger things to worry about, like our own Gov't legislating us up the ass.

comms and recs alike need to be very wary of any new legislation that comes down the pike, because it is likely to effect both sides in a negative way..

friggin liberals...

exactly clam belly

while we're argueing they're banning our right to be out there