Scare Tactics

[Fly Rod]

As the President was speaking last nite he has reverted to scare tatics that the country will go broke if we do not pass the current health bill. This country has been going broke prior to his election and now. This President and the legislative body of this country are leading us down the road to destruction faster then any other. Also those that have not gone along with the program to approve health care have been bought with earmarks to their state. The senators that have bullied those such as Mary Landrieu, asked the cancer society to fire Lieberman's wife are no better then the x-govenor Rob Blagojevich giving Barris a senate seat.Why aren't these ligislators being charged with obstruction or bribery

[scottw]

Welcome to the Democrat Thugocracy....
you want Eric Holder to investigate???

trillions and trillions and trillions....but fear not, Obama is talking fiscal responsibility now...and the economy is right on the verge of a green shovel-ready boom that will help to pay for all of this borrowing, stealing and pork

[RIJIMMY]

The data behind social security drying up and the retiring baby boomer population is staggering. yet when Bush tride to overhall it, he received nothing but flack and no cooperation. Suddenly healthcare is a huge issue whihc will bankrupt the country. I have not seen any data as compelling as the social security issue. we definitly need change, but they're goign down the wrong path

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

The data behind social security drying up and the retiring baby boomer population is staggering. yet when Bush tride to overhall it, he received nothing but flack and no cooperation. Suddenly healthcare is a huge issue whihc will bankrupt the country. I have not seen any data as compelling as the social security issue. we definitly need change, but they're goign down the wrong path

I agree with you. The HC debate is no longer about cutting costs, as the Dems have realized that looking altruistic will be more effective than being practical. It's much easier for them to have the blanket argument of "well, the Republicans that vote against this don't want every sick child in America to have health care". Conservatives have decided that "this won't save money" isn't working and have shifted to "The Democrats that vote for this want to kill babies." Being reasonable doesn't win votes, extremism does.

The Social Security situation was (and still is) ridiculous. I have accepted that the tens of thousands I'll pay into SS over my lifetime will never be seen again. However, I didn't agree with the way Bush wanted to approach it. In my opinion, Bush and SS is very similar to Obama with HC. Bush correctly identified that SS is going to be a major issue very soon - but his approach to fixing was not the correct path. Obama has correctly identified that HC is currently a major issue - but there is not way in hell this is the right way to fix it.

Obama is using the same approach to try and sell HC as the Bush administration did to try and sell the Iraq war and SS reform. "If we don't ****** the country is guaranteed to the country is going to go collapse."
Replace ****** with "reform HC/SS/Capital Gains Tax/Invest in Green Energy".

[justplugit]

New WSJ Poll on HC:
47% against
36% for
17% no opinion

I have to believe the" fors" and "no opinions" have no clue
or are living in a world without communications.

"This HC Bill must be passed by Christmas."
"Without this HC Bill the country will go bankrupt."


You are insulting our intelligence Mr. Obama.
JD, i disagree, Obama is not trying to "sell" it, he and his chronies are trying
everything possible to jam it down our throats, a corrupt bill imho.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

You are insulting our intelligence Mr. Obama.
JD, i disagree, Obama is not trying to "sell" it, he and his chronies are trying
everything possible to jam it down our throats, a corrupt bill imho.

Sell is a relative term. Corrupt bill, corrupt war. It doesn't matter the topic. Politicians will demonstrate in detail, crazy extremes to further their agenda.

We've already seen this exact same scenario before. Fabricate numbers, twist facts, induce fear - then get what you want.

[RIJIMMY]

I stood in a LONG line at the post office this Saturday and the older guy in front of me said to another guy in line "Man, this is what our healthcare will be like in a few years"
I got a good laugh.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I stood in a LONG line at the post office this Saturday and the older guy in front of me said to another guy in line "Man, this is what our healthcare will be like in a few years"
I got a good laugh.

He doesn't have anything to worry about....the Death Panels will have weeded him out by then

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

The data behind social security drying up and the retiring baby boomer population is staggering. yet when Bush tride to overhall it, he received nothing but flack and no cooperation. Suddenly healthcare is a huge issue whihc will bankrupt the country. I have not seen any data as compelling as the social security issue. we definitly need change, but they're goign down the wrong path

Bush's SS plan failed for the same reason the public isn't behind Obama's health care push.

Neither could articulate it in simple terms.

I do think Obama is right in stating that if we don't fix health care it will bankrupt the country...the best solution is debatable.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Bush's SS plan failed for the same reason the public isn't behind Obama's health care push.

Neither could articulate it in simple terms.

I do think Obama is right in stating that if we don't fix health care it will bankrupt the country...the best solution is debatable.

-spence

I find it ironic that it's now" health care" that will bankrupt the country. What about the trillions of $$$ of debt? After health care Obama and Pelosi wil fabricate the next crisis that only they can fix.

IMO this bill will bankrupt our nation.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Sell is a relative term. Corrupt bill, corrupt war. It doesn't matter the topic. Politicians will demonstrate in detail, crazy extremes to further their agenda.

We've already seen this exact same scenario before. Fabricate numbers, twist facts, induce fear - then get what you want.

JD, I agree sell is a relative term ,but by definition it should involve showing features and benefits. I haven't seen either.

We don't even know what's in it and neither do most congressmen, as it's being done in smokey rooms behind closed doors.

From what i gather the only benefit is to Obama, to further his Big G socialistic agenda.

[scottw]

this is all Bush's fault...things would be much much better right now if that pillar of honesty and integrity had won, I mean, hadn't been cheated out of the presidency in 2000.....

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

I do think Obama is right in stating that if we don't fix health care it will bankrupt the country...the best solution is debatable.

-spence

It is not only health care. How about earmarks that are attached to every single bill that the president and past presidents have signed. One of many mis-truths by this president, quote, "I will not pass any bill which contain, EARMARKS."

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is all Bush's fault...things would be much much better right now if that pillar of honesty and integrity had won, I mean, hadn't been cheated out of the presidency in 2000.....

I'm not saying this is all on Bush's shoulders. However, what I am saying is that these tactics shouldn't surprise anyone. This is the new method of pushing policy. With 24-hour "news" stations to push polarized agendas, death and destruction stir up the masses and build ratings.

If this was a real democracy, an electoral college would not exist and Bush wouldn't have won that election. Bush never would have been in Office to get almost single-digit approval ratings and Obama never would have been able to develop the support to be president.

[scottw]

we are a republic

Madison’s observations in The Federalist number 10 are noteworthy at this point because they highlight a grave error made through the centuries regarding Democracy as a form of government. He commented as follows:

"Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed, that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions."

Democracy, as a form of government, is utterly repugnant to--is the very antithesis of--the traditional American system: that of a Republic, and its underlying philosophy, as expressed in essence in the Declaration of Independence with primary emphasis upon the people’s forming their government so as to permit them to possess only "just powers" (limited powers) in order to make and keep secure the God-given, unalienable rights of each and every Individual and therefore of all groups of Individuals.

A Republic

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

if this was a real McDonaldland...we could elect Mayor Mc Cheese