Opinions on the wind farm??? - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

PRBuzz · 03-02-2010, 06:47 AM

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The constant thumping might actually work as an attractant for the fishes and as pointed out early the structure are sure to provide homes to bait and attract BIG fish.

buckman · 03-02-2010, 07:03 AM

I'm for it and would love to have one in my backyard.

PaulS · 03-02-2010, 07:44 AM

what is going on with this? Any decision on whether they can build it or not?

Karl F · 03-02-2010, 08:05 AM

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Joe · 03-02-2010, 08:23 AM

This is why the northeast has a reputation of being hostile to business - because we're against everything.

Swimmer · 03-02-2010, 01:09 PM

I agree with Hooper. Why should we as a people allow our government to give away land to a private company so that we can pay for them, through tax incentives/tax breaks(that means our tax dollar is footing a huge part of the cost, well over a billion $ estmated) to build a power plant that hey say at a minimum the energy at todays prices is going to cost 33% more than we currently pay. That means we are paying for thwe towers to be constructed. If it is so god damn important then we should build and own the entire facility. 130 turbines will probably be visible from 10 to 12 miles away. Christ I can see the practice/test tower when I am on the Vineyard easily. You all should read the Vineayrd Gazette editorial page and get a true sense of all of the facts, good and bad, about the wind towers. As a side story, many of the companies, most of whom originated in Europe have been infiltrated by crooks many of whom have been indicted, eight so far. While the technology is much more efficient, it should be put to a vote of the citizens who are going to be affected by the building of the towers, from an esthetic and monetray viewpoint. Just recently an attorney, whose name is Jeffrey Madison, whose family is a member of the Aquinnah tribe, went to work for Wynn and Wynn in Hyannis and has been negotiating with two factions of the tribe, offering bribes, to make their tribal oppositon go away. This whole thing pisses me off.

Saltheart · 03-02-2010, 03:23 PM

Yes to wind mills in general. Where they go is an issue for the experts in that field. I think they look for places that will have continuous wind above a certain speed , places that will have below a certain height of Max surf during hurricanes , Places where they power can be transmitted to the grid without too much line lose , palces with workable depths , etc , etc. The only drawback I see is on being obstacles to navigation. I don't think any other argument holds water , not even the drop in real estate values. I'm not so sure that would even happen.

Anyway , we need energy and we need it now. "Not in my back yard" has added a gazzilion dollars to the cost of energy in the USA.

I've been close to the one Near Portsmouth Abby and to be honest , nless you are looking right at it , you forget its even there.

So for me its thumbs up for wind power.

Backbeach Jake · 03-02-2010, 07:52 PM

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I say - Nuclear Power Plant in Holyoke!!!

Funny you mention nukes. That windfarm represents a nuke plant that won't be built. We need the power, we just don't want to see it. Sometime we can't see anything at all when the power goes out. I'm for it.

Backbeach Jake · 03-02-2010, 07:56 PM

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

likwid · 03-02-2010, 08:17 PM

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The only drawback I see is on being obstacles to navigation.

Unless you have wheels, Nantucket Sound IS a hazard to navigation.

Also Gosnold has it in the works to tell MV to screw itself and have a windfarm put up in their neighborhood.

How many remember the old windmill on Cuttyhunk? Hmm? Maybe Nebe?

Karl F · 03-02-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

Well Said Fred..

now given that...

as we both know.. Wind was invented in Truro..when the wind blows up there on the top of them hills, it howls..

a lot of acres that are not used or accessed much, owned by the Federal Govt. ...

Truro Wind Farm..

striperman36 · 03-02-2010, 08:56 PM

I go past the two in Portsmouth everyday. PHS I believe pays for it own electricity and kicks 200K back in surplus to the town.
The Abbey has a similar but smaller number.

I want a small one on my roof.

Backbeach Jake · 03-03-2010, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F

Well Said Fred..

now given that...

as we both know.. Wind was invented in Truro..when the wind blows up there on the top of them hills, it howls..

a lot of acres that are not used or accessed much, owned by the Federal Govt. ...

Truro Wind Farm..

My Grandfather had a windmill that pumped his well. It's been done.
I wonder if the NIMBY crowd would change their minds if their Town got free power for hosting a wind farm..

Raven · 03-03-2010, 06:14 AM

there's new designs that are low profile for home owners

Joe · 03-03-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

My Grandfather had a windmill that pumped his well. It's been done.
I wonder if the NIMBY crowd would change their minds if their Town got free power for hosting a wind farm..

They'd be against an ATM that gave out free money for town residents - too much noise and crowding....

RIROCKHOUND · 03-03-2010, 08:21 AM

Saltheart has it pretty much right.
It is an intensive process involving a lot of consideration. The Rhode Island progress has benefited from the Cape Wind struggle. I hope they both go forward. Any recreational fisherman against offshore wind is not thinking. they will not be restricting access. Think Rig fishing in the gulf coast...

Joe · 03-03-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

Last I checked the proposal was to build in the ocean? Soliciting opinions is a dog-and-pony show when you know the answer is 'no' already. It's like trying to business with someone you know you can't make money with as soon as you look at them.

It's also important to note that if the wind farm produces power at 33% more than the current cost of coal burning power plants initially, the frequent increase in electric costs will begin to diminish the inefficiency of the wind farm each time our electric rates go up.

JohnR · 03-03-2010, 09:11 AM

I'll take a smaller turbine in my back yard please. That, and throw in a Nuke in Little Compton

Fishpart · 03-03-2010, 09:39 AM

A major issue that no one considers with an offshore wind farm is that the life of the equipment is significantly reduced due to the continuous exposure to salt water. The Jamestown bridge is a good example to what happens to the "usual" construction materials when exposed to a marine environment.

Wind power ..a good idea, offshore not so because to be economicly viable it will need to have a significant amount of taxpayer subsidy and right now this taxpayer can't afford any more...

fishbones · 03-03-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Any recreational fisherman against offshore wind is not thinking. they will not be restricting access. Think Rig fishing in the gulf coast...

I had this conversation with my dad a couple of years ago while out fishing out off the south side of the Cape. It could be a huge benefit to fishermen. I'm all for it if it really is cost effective.

Swimmer · 03-03-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

But we are paying for this to be constructed. Not only providing the land/water, but the financing as well.

You will see once the permits are issued, completely different entities owning the wind farm.

We should own it.

Swimmer · 03-03-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpart

A major issue that no one considers with an offshore wind farm is that the life of the equipment is significantly reduced due to the continuous exposure to salt water. The Jamestown bridge is a good example to what happens to the "usual" construction materials when exposed to a marine environment.

Wind power ..a good idea, offshore not so because to be economicly viable it will need to have a significant amount of taxpayer subsidy and right now this taxpayer can't afford any
more...

This has been one of the concerns that I have raised as well. Twenty, thirty years from now when energy is produce more economically, by another means, who is going to remove the eyesores. Look at southern Califonia, east of the Sieras adjacent to Edwards air force base. They are all over the place, like dune monsters.

Nebe · 03-03-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid

Unless you have wheels, Nantucket Sound IS a hazard to navigation.

Also Gosnold has it in the works to tell MV to screw itself and have a windfarm put up in their neighborhood.

How many remember the old windmill on Cuttyhunk? Hmm? Maybe Nebe?

loud m-efer... if i remember right it was taken down because it was driving everyone nuts.

JohnR · 03-03-2010, 03:14 PM

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loud m-efer... if i remember right it was taken down because it was driving everyone nuts.

Louder than the diesel generator?

FishermanTim · 03-03-2010, 03:28 PM

Now what makes you think that you would be allowed to fish anywhere near these structures when they are built?
You may be able to fish, say 100' away from them, but nothing like we have imagined.
How close can you fish near the Plymouth power plant?
Remember the "no fishing/boating" zone established around Deer Island?

We are definitely counting our chickens before they are hatched, heck before the eggs have even been laid!

fishbones · 03-03-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FishermanTim

Now what makes you think that you would be allowed to fish anywhere near these structures when they are built?
You may be able to fish, say 100' away from them, but nothing like we have imagined.
How close can you fish near the Plymouth power plant?
Remember the "no fishing/boating" zone established around Deer Island?

We are definitely counting our chickens before they are hatched, heck before the eggs have even been laid!

What makes you think you wouldn't be able to fish right up against them? Who do you think would own the turbines?

RIROCKHOUND · 03-03-2010, 03:43 PM

Coast Guard was pretty clear. I believe it is like the bridges and buoys, you can fish next to them, just can't tie up to them.

Raven · 03-03-2010, 03:44 PM

we paid for them therefore we fish next to them

Raven · 03-03-2010, 03:46 PM

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Louder than the diesel generator?

based upon a jet engine design

thats round instead of rotating blades

but nothing was mentioned about decibles

FishermanTim · 03-03-2010, 03:51 PM

That makes sense.
All it would take would be for one person to have an accident/incident with one and it could change.