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12-08-2010, 11:12 AM
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Maine Herring boats off of Narragansett
This Bugs me big time. I am sure there are millions of river herring mixed with sea herring out there and from what I can tell they are catching tons of them... They've been here for about a week. THere are two big boats that scout around and when they find a school they converge on it and pair trawl.  |
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12-08-2010, 11:52 AM
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BuzzLuck
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Looks like the same boats I saw out on SWC area on 11/30!
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12-08-2010, 11:55 AM
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Complete bull.........
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12-08-2010, 12:35 PM
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No one likes herring pair trawlers. I've heard regular draggermen bash the big herring boats. One problem has to do with control. The entire New England and mid-Atlantic herring industry is controlled by a handful of people. I bet no more than six big catcher boats are in it. The small owner-operator herring boats can't compete because of market control.
It goes way beyond bycatch issues. There are a bunch of small Point Judith trawlers, with sea herring permits--that are tied to the dock right now because they can't "get into" the herring market.
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12-08-2010, 12:37 PM
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sad. I wonder how many cod and pollock are being scooped up in those schools???
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12-08-2010, 12:43 PM
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100% observer coverage would at least remove some of the mystery.
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12-08-2010, 12:55 PM
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Location: Narragansett, RI
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At least they're not from Jersey...
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12-08-2010, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scalywag
At least they're not from Jersey...
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Why is that? Do they smell worse?
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12-08-2010, 01:56 PM
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Also known as OAK
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Location: Westlery, RI
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Chris is lonely and the Maine guy's don't put out when they come ashore.
On a serious note, this is a real issues, I think HonestBycatch has been fighting this with some minor inroads, but it does go along with what goose said about the other fisheries not liking this fishery....
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-08-2010, 02:03 PM
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Retired Surfer
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How close are they allowed? Looks like they are moored there. Nebe throw some glassware at them.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
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12-08-2010, 02:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swimmer
How close are they allowed? Looks like they are moored there. Nebe throw some glassware at them.
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oh no.. that one that was in close was tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& up and down the shore |
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12-08-2010, 02:44 PM
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Captain Pete
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Not much in the way of regulation. If they have the license, they can do it.
At least its not a northern european boat or some other country.
Couple of years ago had some in the Branford River from NY. Called the DEP and there was no law to keep out of the river system. This may have been berfore the ban on river herring.
This is a shame.
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12-09-2010, 01:19 AM
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zziplex lover
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ARE you kiddding mE!!!!!
I don't see any pair trawling going on.........Those boats could be entering New Bedford harbour for all we see............  |
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12-09-2010, 07:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robc22
I don't see any pair trawling going on.........Those boats could be entering New Bedford harbour for all we see............ |
Ok bud. Whatever.
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12-09-2010, 07:15 AM
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This is where you're river herring are going, period.
No amount of of conservation at the runs could possibly make up for the by-catch from these things.
And when you here about the miles of dead stripers each year off chatham - these are your culprits, not the regular day-draggers.
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12-09-2010, 08:29 AM
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12-09-2010, 10:48 AM
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Also known as OAK
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Originally Posted by robc22
I don't see any pair trawling going on.........Those boats could be entering New Bedford harbour for all we see............ |
Right. Those boats are expensive. good thing the limits justify the cost of owning the boats.
These are 200ft fishing machines. This is not ArcBait getting 100,000lbs of pogies (in a closely monitored fishery) this is 100% different and not a local fishery. How many of these herring are staying in the US? |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-09-2010, 12:15 PM
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Definitely paired up. I took this shot yesterday. Both of these guys are from New Bedford.
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12-09-2010, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goosefish
Definitely paired up. I took this shot yesterday. Both of these guys are from New Bedford.
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Yep, they sit on the west side of the plant on Fish Island all year till the Herring are here.
IIRC it all gets shipped offshore. |
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12-09-2010, 01:09 PM
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from what i have learned they have found a loop hole by hireing a guy who holds licenses in RI and pay him a share- So what they are doing is legal- pair trawling is legal too...
they will probably wipe out 1/2 of gilbert stewart herring runs fish.. |
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12-09-2010, 01:09 PM
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Drill baby drill. To hell with river herring.
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12-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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Here ya go - a chance to voice your concerns locally!
DZ
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, DECEMBER 9, 2010
CONTACT, TINA BERGER, 703/842-0740
ASMFC Atlantic Herring Section to Meet January 7, 2011
The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission's Atlantic Herring Section will meet from 10:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m. on January 7, 2011, at the Sheraton Providence Airport Hotel, 1850 Post Road, Warwick Rhode Island. This Section will review and consider approval of Draft Addendum IV for Public Comment. Draft Addendum IV proposes to allow small mesh bottom trawl and small purse seine vessels an additional landing day or two per week on 'days out' of the fishery. The additional landing days are intended to allow smaller day-boats an equal amount of fishing days as larger vessels that fish for several days prior to landing. In addition to including management options, Draft Addendum IV will address the potential impact to river herring stocks. If approved, Draft Addendum IV will be released for public comment in mid-January. The Section will take final action at the ASMFC Winter Meeting the week of March 21, 2011. Meeting materials will be posted on the Commission website athttp://www.asmfc.org/meetings.htm as they become available.
For more information, please contact Christopher Vonderweidt, Atlantic Herring FMP Coordinator, at cvonderweidt@asmfc.org.
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Tina Berger
Public Affairs Specialist
Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission 1050 N. Highland St., Suite 200 A-N Arlington, VA 22201-2196
(p) 703.842.0740
(f) 703.842.0741
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Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission
ASMFC Vision: Healthy, self-sustaining populations for all Atlantic coast fish species or successful restoration well in progress by the year 2015. |
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12-09-2010, 10:17 PM
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zziplex lover
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
Ok bud. Whatever.
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Maybe you can post a couple of pics of comm. boats with fishing gear over the side and actually fishing!!!!!!!!!!OK bud.Whatever
Last edited by robc22; 12-09-2010 at 10:38 PM..
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12-09-2010, 10:42 PM
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^^^It appears that the posted pic has a net in the water as seen from my mobile phone screen but could be something else
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12-10-2010, 01:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robc22
I don't see any pair trawling going on.........Those boats could be entering New Bedford harbour for all we see............ |
Quote:
Originally Posted by robc22
Maybe you can post a couple of pics of comm. boats with fishing gear over the side and actually fishing!!!!!!!!!!OK bud.Whatever
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You must be the one kidding us. Well, fuel prices aren't that bad. They must be out on a pleasure cruise, no?
Can't wait for the day regulators do everyone a service shut these guys down. |
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12-10-2010, 08:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robc22
Maybe you can post a couple of pics of comm. boats with fishing gear over the side and actually fishing!!!!!!!!!!OK bud.Whatever
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You can't honestly think that these boats aren't fishing do you????
Good grief.
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12-10-2010, 11:10 AM
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M.S.B.A.
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Do you guys think we could get a coalition of clubs/organizations to join together and make a sustained two year effort to ban Pair Trawling or Mid water trawling as a whole?
I know there are enviro orgs that would jump on board for a fight like this.
The issue is could we sustain the pressure to do it or would the obviou starting momentum die after an "internet minute".
I'm seriously asking for opinions.
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"It is impossible to complain and to achieve at the same time"--Basic Patrick (on a good day)
 
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12-10-2010, 11:24 AM
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Not Jack
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While it's a noble effort, I seriously doubt it would ever be banned outright... Too much $$ involved, and there are some big players who are in that game.
Pushing for 100% coverage, and a ban on certain practices like tripping bags at sea... That's a more realistic target, and one that would solve much of the bycatch issues... Or at least provide hard data, rather than anecdotal evidence.
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12-10-2010, 07:16 PM
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Pat most people just want to bitch. damn few will pick up a pen or phone nd fewer still will go into a politicians office to make a point. Ron
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12-10-2010, 08:15 PM
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lobster = striper bait
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robc22
Maybe you can post a couple of pics of comm. boats with fishing gear over the side and actually fishing!!!!!!!!!!OK bud.Whatever
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After a phone call to someone who works where the boats are kept, yes, they are infact fishing where nebeben posted.
Go away, please, thanks. |
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