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Old 01-04-2011, 02:43 PM   #31
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so many people walk by that and other stands and think that they are braces to hold sewage and salt water pool pipes..
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:56 PM   #32
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I was going to say it was DZ's rod rest
Right on Dave.

Been known to have rested my sticks aginst it along with using it as an occasional hanger for the plug bag and jacket on hot summer mid-watch nights. Was also the very first place I snuck a peak at the original Rebel F80/F90 Super Minnows that another sharpie caster was bailing fish with. He was kind to the kid - learned alot on that rock. So please, respect the stand for it has history.

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Old 01-04-2011, 03:06 PM   #33
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DZ im assuming it was a private stand.. do you know who built it?
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:28 PM   #34
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Not sure Nebe - Peg Rock is the name. Maybe Crafty Angler will chime in as he did lots of research on Newport Bass Stands. No doubt a "gentlemans fishing club" of the time. Plenty more iron stubs in the rocks of Newport. At least 20 stands I know of - probably more that i don't know about.

Take a walk into the historic Travers Building on Bellevue Ave and take a peak at the paintings along the walls in the hallways - in one painting you will see what the actual Peg Rock stand looked like in its original state.

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Old 01-04-2011, 03:29 PM   #35
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I came across three different ones this summer I hadn't found before while on the hunt. I know when I see one I'm in the right spot. It sucks when you find them with your shin in the dark though.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:34 PM   #36
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Not sure Nebe - Peg Rock is the name. Maybe Crafty Angler will chime in as he did lots of research on Newport Bass Stands. No doubt a "gentlemans fishing club" of the time. Plenty more iron stubs in the rocks of Newport. At least 20 stands I know of - probably more that i don't know about.

Take a walk into the historic Travers Building on Bellevue Ave and take a peak at the paintings along the walls in the hallways - in one painting you will see what the actual Peg Rock stand looked like in its original state.

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oh very neat.. I will do that. 20 stands?!?! wow.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:45 PM   #37
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oh very neat.. I will do that. 20 stands?!?! wow.
Let me clarify - "remnants" of stands. You won't find any in as good a shape as Peg.

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Old 01-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #38
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I agree.. Peg is a fine specimen. I can only think of the bass stand at Beavertail that is in anywhere close to that good a shape. It makes me wonder if Peg rock was a newer one.
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:16 PM   #39
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It amazes me how many of them are around if you look, I have found a few in places where, at least as far as I know, there were never any bass clubs. Sometimes I wonder if some of them were put in by the military for purposes other than fishing? Anyone know if this might be true?

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Old 01-04-2011, 04:26 PM   #40
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Yes Dave. Submarine nets. Also fish traps and other stuff
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:36 PM   #41
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:43 PM   #42
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Not all the holes and iron you find in rocks were bass stands.

Some stands were built for sea duck hunting.

Temporary docks were also constructed to off load lumber to build large waterfront houses in difficult spots around the turn of the last century.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:53 PM   #43
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Not sure Nebe - Peg Rock is the name. Maybe Crafty Angler will chime in as he did lots of research on Newport Bass Stands. No doubt a "gentlemans fishing club" of the time. Plenty more iron stubs in the rocks of Newport. At least 20 stands I know of - probably more that i don't know about.
I have a pic from Crafty of the Bass Club hangin on my office wall. Very cool. I need more though
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:12 PM   #44
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Right on Dave.

Been known to have rested my sticks against it along with using it as an occasional hanger for the plug bag and jacket on hot summer mid-watch nights. Was also the very first place I snuck a peak at the original Rebel F80/F90 Super Minnows that another sharpie caster was bailing fish with. He was kind to the kid - learned alot on that rock. So please, respect the stand for it has history.

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Hey, Dennis, I've found it also serves as a good leaning post for an aging surfcaster to take a smoke break once in a while, too...

It's always been interesting to me as I fish those spots to wonder who built the stands and whose footsteps I may be walking in, when line was twisted linen, the rods were made of greenheart wood or bamboo with agate guides and reels had a leather thumbstall for a drag. Makes the catches all that more impressive, doesn't it

As for Peg Rock, I just always assumed that the stand was private, probably built by the owner of that estate behind it.

The single stands were mostly private - like Alexander Aggassiz's at Castle Hill, which I have photos of. He and his students also used it for collecting specimens for his marine studies and I have an 1851 Agassiz volume illustrated by his wife that references it.

There was another well-known private stand (well-known at that time) just across the way at what we now call Perry's, originally built by Thomas Winans - a while ago I picked up a stereoscopic photo of his stand in front of the Winans (later Perry) estate which was there called 'Bleak House'. An illustration of that stand in action also occurs in a late 1890's volume of the NY Forest, Fish and Game Commission Report.

In 1921 Frank Griswold wrote "Mr Thomas Winans and his nephew took in three months' fishing from stands built for the purpose on the rocks in front of his house at Newport, Rhode Island, 124 striped bass weighing 2,921 pounds, an average of 23 pounds, the largest being a fish of sixty pounds."

The local club locations - like Graves Point and Newport's Gooseberry - are the ones marked by the multiple stands. The Graves Point Club changed hands 3 times. It was built by financier and railroad magnate Seth Barton French, then sold to JP Morgan upon his death, and then sold again to T. Suffern Tailer, a sportsman who developed Ocean Links, a golf course on Ocean Drive's west side next to the Newport Country Club when Morgan died. Tailer loved the spot so much he stipulated that it never be sold upon his passing.

Here's a tidbit for you, Dennis - when Tailer took over the club, he hired an enterprising young lad to work as his gaffer and chummer...named Clifford Tallman

To the west of Graves are the remnants of the stands owned and built by Theodore Davis, an archeologist and Egyptologist who built The Reef (which locals have always referred to as The Bells). Lectures on natural history, archeology and travel were great entertainment in those pre-movie, radio and TV days, so Agassiz, Davis and Winans (a gentleman inventor) were widely recognized. The only building now left standing from The Reef is the rest and ranger station at Brenton Park. Although it was more than a few years ago, I do recall my dad taking me out to the Drive to see the fire when the word got out that the mansion had been set ablaze

Ultimately, the crash of the striped bass population at the turn of the 20th century brought interest in the use of the stands almost to a halt and what little is left is what we see today, rusted iron nubs poking out of holes in the rocks drilled by hand. You also see a lot of old fish trap stanchions in the same areas.

What didn't get taken out by neglect and the elements, the '38 Hurricane finished, including the Graves Point Club.

Most of the striped bass club members went on to fish at the tarpon 'camps' of Florida ( they were 'camps' in the same sense that the Newport mansions were 'cottages') and at Catalina Island on the West Coast to form the Tuna Club to fish for 'horse mackeral' - blue-fin tuna - that they already knew from their own New England waters, as well as sword and marlin.

In the end, it seemed that many of the members of the old striped bass clubs ended up becoming conservationists and insisted on more sportsmanlike behavior when they formed the Catalina Tuna Club. It makes you think that perhaps they were chastened by the effects of the crash they witnessed when the striped bass disappeared.

All in all, after all the musty old stuff I've dug through, that seems to be the point. History can - and should - be a cautionary tale, as much as anything else, regarding the importance of protecting our resource.

Unfortunately, my imaging computer is down right now .. .. or I'd post a few of the photos that haven't seen the light of day in quite a while.

Geez, I guess it's like the comedians say

Please, don't get me started...

Boy, I've gotta put that lecture on my bucket list one these days

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Hey, Dennis while we're discussing history, just out of curiosity, who was the sharpie slinging Super Minnows...

Fred?

"There is no royal road to this heavy surf-fishing. With all the appliances for comfort experience can suggest, there is a certain amount of hard work to be done and exposure to be bourne as a part of the price of success." From "Striped Bass," Scribner's Magazine, 1881.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:31 PM   #46
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Hi chuck!

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Feliz Ano Nuevo to you, Cap...

"There is no royal road to this heavy surf-fishing. With all the appliances for comfort experience can suggest, there is a certain amount of hard work to be done and exposure to be bourne as a part of the price of success." From "Striped Bass," Scribner's Magazine, 1881.
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yes happy new year chuck and thanks for posting!!!


screw the lecture.... Take all those images you have and make a coffee table book.
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yes happy new year chuck and thanks for posting!!!


screw the lecture.... Take all those images you have and make a coffee table book.
Cheers, big ears...my pleasure, Nebe...

That's already on the bucket list...somewhere...

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Hey, Dennis while we're discussing history, just out of curiosity, who was the sharpie slinging Super Minnows...

Fred?
Hi Chuck! Thanks for the history lesson. Not Fred - It was the late Roger Hargrove. Roger also taught me some of the finer points of catching "shadow line stripers". Good man - I miss him.

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Hi Chuck! Thanks for the history lesson. Not Fred - It was the late Roger Hargrove. Roger also taught me some of the finer points of catching "shadow line stripers". Good man - I miss him.

DZ
Thanks, Dennis - I knew it was a wild guess, since Fred was an eel and riggie man of renown

I never get tired of hearing about the tutorials at the IA...

Without a doubt, a lot of good ones have gone before us

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Old 01-05-2011, 02:34 PM   #52
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In narragansett-

The Rockefellers once owned much of the hard side of the narrow river- all the way north to the north fence of Camp Varnum.. there is 1 bass stand along that stretch.

Theres one called 'minellies' just south of bass rock road and i think there are 3 in black point. One just north of aunt caries...
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Here's another shot of spike rock

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